Election Year or Fear!

[ramAnag]

The above sort of sums things up. I've said before that the business I've run since 2009 has exposed me to the 'They' as Sith so dismissively calls them, and They've consistently increased in number, demographic and depth of entrenchment over that time. To some extent (in fact to every extent) we here in this forum are not only wasting our collective breath wrt one another, we are wasting our breath wrt the 'They' as well, the 'They' have decided there's a 'liberal elite' (govt, public bodies, mainstream media, 'celebs') who think they know best, and the 'They' are happy to give this elite another bloody nose just like Brexit if they are given chance, and bugger the consequences - remember most of these people have been let down by multiple 'old school' govts of many colours over decades anyway, so why not let the sky blues have a crack?

Because the collective failure of those who have gone before doesn’t justify handing over the reins to those who we already know have nothing to offer and whose only contribution to date (Brexit) has only served to exacerbate the situation.

[Ram Pant]

Because the collective failure of those who have gone before doesn?t justify handing over the reins to those who we already know have nothing to offer and whose only contribution to date (Brexit) has only served to exacerbate the situation.

Aren't all the Reform Ltd MP's former Blue Tory politicians. Aren't all the Reform Ltd career politicians not yet elected as Reform Ltd MP's former Blue Tory MP's. Does that not make them all, current and prospective Reform Ltd MP's, part of the collective failure that went before?

That's the idiocy of it all. So many Blue Tories who are part of the problem changing horses in a vain attempy to win a long lost race? They'll simply do more of the same and make things worse rather than better.

[swaledale]

Aren't all the Reform Ltd MP's former Blue Tory politicians. Aren't all the Reform Ltd career politicians not yet elected as Reform Ltd MP's former Blue Tory MP's. Does that not make them all, current and prospective Reform Ltd MP's, part of the collective failure that went before?

That's the idiocy of it all. So many Blue Tories who are part of the problem changing horses in a vain attempy to win a long lost race? They'll simply do more of the same and make things worse rather than better.

Farage was a "died in the wool" Thatcherite before he become the man of many parties! Tice the same. What all have in common including those just joined is that their ambition is out of proportion to their ability.

[ramAnag]

Farage was a "dyed in the wool" Thatcherite before he become the man of many parties! Tice the same. What all have in common including those just joined is that their ambition is out of proportion to their ability.

Agreed. Matthew Parris - a decent and compassionate Tory - has suggested that ‘if one was to remove ambition from the core of Robert Jenrick he would collapse like a boneless chicken’. There are far too many who fit that description.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Agreed. Matthew Parris - a decent and compassionate Tory - has suggested that ‘if one was to remove ambition from the core of Robert Jenrick he would collapse like a boneless chicken’. There are far too many who fit that description.

....and if you were to remove ambition from the core of everyone, the economy and then society would collapse. Ambition drives entrepreneurship and even the simple act of getting out of bed. If noone had ambition....everything would collapse indeed. its a ludicrous comment IMHO to criticse anyone for having ambition as if its a bad thing

[ramAnag]

....and if you were to remove ambition from the core of everyone, the economy and then society would collapse. Ambition drives entrepreneurship and even the simple act of getting out of bed. If noone had ambition....everything would collapse indeed. its a ludicrous comment IMHO to criticse anyone for having ambition as if its a bad thing

God you’re so extreme and use the tactic of misinterpretation so regularly.

Who has said that we should ‘remove ambition’? Who has criticised anyone for having ambition? MP’s point was that when ambition outweighs ability, as it clearly does, imo, in Jenrick’s case, then you have a problem. My point was, that I’ve come across many people in many walks of life who’s ambition has unrealistically exceeded their ability - from kids at school who think they’re going to be pro footballers to Liz Truss believing she’d be a successful PM - and it invariably ends in tears.

[swaledale]

God you’re so extreme and use the tactic of misinterpretation so regularly.

Who has said that we should ‘remove ambition’? Who has criticised anyone for having ambition? MP’s point was that when ambition outweighs ability, as it clearly does, imo, in Jenrick’s case, then you have a problem. My point was, that I’ve come across many people in many walks of life who’s ambition has unrealistically exceeded their ability - from kids at school who think they’re going to be pro footballers to Liz Truss believing she’d be a successful PM - and it invariably ends in tears.

Deliberately provocative like his "mate" and then gets offended and sulks when he gets the same response or when asked as he frequently does, for the evidence to back up what one has posted. I guess boys will be boys though.

[Andy_Faber]

Because the collective failure of those who have gone before doesn?t justify handing over the reins to those who we already know have nothing to offer and whose only contribution to date (Brexit) has only served to exacerbate the situation.

But your ?we? is just four old farts on a moribund forum, it doesn?t represent the plebiscite who it would appear to be more open to giving someone new a chance

[ramAnag]

But your ?we? is just four old farts on a moribund forum, it doesn?t represent the plebiscite who it would appear to be more open to giving someone new a chance

My ‘we’ referred to that percentage of the electorate who have sufficient intelligence and insight to recognise Farage and Reform’s shortcomings rather than the majority on here who feel the same.

More interesting perhaps is your disrespectful reference to ‘four old farts’ on a ‘moribund forum’. If that’s your perception maybe it’s you who should ‘be more open to giving someone new a chance’. Certainly wasn’t a ‘moribund forum’ when you took over.

[Geoff Parkstone]

rA "My ?we? referred to that percentage of the electorate who have sufficient intelligence and insight ..."

To agree with me???

What elitist socialist arrogance - I hope this attitude is not typical of today's generation of teachers. Everyone who disagrees with me must be unintelligent? Really? Thats a statement I'd expect of Farage et al but not from a liberal woke individual at least historically responsible for developing the intelligence of generations of children, no doubt many of whom are now Reform supporters (statistically)