Election Year or Fear!

[Andy_Faber]

rA "My ?we? referred to that percentage of the electorate who have sufficient intelligence and insight ..."

To agree with me???

What elitist socialist arrogance - I hope this attitude is not typical of today's generation of teachers. Everyone who disagrees with me must be unintelligent? Really? Thats a statement I'd expect of Farage et al but not from a liberal woke individual at least historically responsible for developing the intelligence of generations of children, no doubt many of whom are now Reform supporters (statistically)

I noticed that too. ?You disagree with me therefore you must be thick?

[ramAnag]

I noticed that too. ?You disagree with me therefore you must be thick?

Oh dear, I see the dynamic duo have joined forces again.

You can interpret it that way if it makes you both feel better. I’m perfectly happy and comfortable to think of myself as too intelligent, and discerning to fall into the trap of supporting those who make a point of defending racism and mysogyny and if you perceive that as making me ‘woke’, part of a ‘liberal elite’ or whatever other label you feel the need to apply then so be it. Personally I just think it makes me decent.

BTW, while you’re busy scrambling onto that high horse of yours, it might be worth remembering who started this earlier today by referring to other forum members, particularly those you disagree with, as ‘old farts’.

[swaledale]

Dispassionately that seems a natural outcome and one I'm sure our government would utilise to try and enforce it's will on any dissenting nation. Well maybe not ours as it's spineless, but any "normal' government. It is diplomacy. Trump style!

Spineless or more likely these days at least, to respect international law and the sovereignty of other nations?

[swaledale]

rA "My ?we? referred to that percentage of the electorate who have sufficient intelligence and insight ..."

To agree with me???

What elitist socialist arrogance - I hope this attitude is not typical of today's generation of teachers. Everyone who disagrees with me must be unintelligent? Really? Thats a statement I'd expect of Farage et al but not from a liberal woke individual at least historically responsible for developing the intelligence of generations of children, no doubt many of whom are now Reform supporters (statistically)

MM, lots of assumptions there, one that RA is a socialist, not sure how you have arrived at that conclusion? woke? FFS grow up and stop repeating ad infinitum phrases pumped out by right wing media and grifters.

Many of who are Reform supporters? (statistically), and your evidence for such a statement is what?

RA wasn't IMO stating that everyone who disagreed with him was unitelligent, but that those who voted for Reform were perhaps not very bright. Which is after all merely a statement that is at least partly true. Obviosuly there will be those who have intelligence but like the openly racist and xenophobic nature of Reform's statements.

[swaledale]

But your ?we? is just four old farts on a moribund forum, it doesn?t represent the plebiscite who it would appear to be more open to giving someone new a chance

But increasingly they aren't someone new are they? Not they ever were new, just same face different clothes. But thats the point being made. Also despite the polls (nearly 4 years ahead of any election) which in any case don't take into account the vagaries of the UK election system and so can only be an indictaion the plebiscite at the moment isn't a majority for Reform.

[swaledale]

rA "But anyone sensible knows that immigration, or more to the point illegal immigration, isn?t the biggest problem..."

Whatever makes you think one is dealing with "sensible". 90% of the population aren't. You've perfectly illustrated my point. Stick your head in the sand and pretend the problem has gone away - it hasn't and won't until something concrete is seen to happen

I'd have thought reducing legal immigration by half since Labour came to power was doing something "concrete"?

Bit arrogant to say 90% of the population isn't sensible! Weren't you slagginf off RA forwhat you claimed was a very similar statement, though in fact it was more nuanced than yours?

[SithHappens]

My assumption, possibly wrongly, is that both GP and AF are going to vote Reform, or at least strongly considering it.

Neither are unintelligent, and I don't think either is racist.

What i struggle with is what is involved in the thought process of Reform voters when its quite clear Farage and most of those around him do exhibit very questionable moral attitudes.

No one can convince me they aren't racist, Farage has shown misogynistic tendencies, and seems to show very questionable attitudes to exploitation of women, and recently children.

What is it with Reform voters that convinces them he's a good choice for leader with these attitudes?

[ramAnag]

[QUOTE=SithHappens;40792156]My assumption, possibly wrongly, is that both GP and AF are going to vote Reform, or at least strongly considering it.

Neither are unintelligent, and I don't think either is racist.

What i struggle with is what is involved in the thought process of Reform voters when its quite clear Farage and most of those around him do exhibit very questionable moral attitudes.

No one can convince me they aren't racist, Farage has shown misogynistic tendencies, and seems to show very questionable attitudes to exploitation of women, and recently children.

What is it with Reform voters that convinces them he's a good choice for leader with these attitudes?[QUOTE]


I’m not sure whether you’re very generous natured or just don’t want to believe the worst, young Sith.

Whether both are likely to vote Reform or not I wouldn’t know and I agree that neither are unintelligent.
As far as being racist is concerned. I think that much of what GP passes off as humour is unquestionably racist, but then playing devils advocate and winding people up seems to be his main purpose on here these days.

As regards AF, there is certainly enough evidence on here to suggest that he has little time for Muslims, beyond that, who knows, but when you have someone who isn’t dim and who therefore must be fully aware of the clear racist and misogynistic overtones associated with both Farage and his Party, but who still advocates, as he did yesterday, giving the ‘light blues’ a go, then there’s a problem imo.

Personally I believe they have every right to put forward their views. Equally you, Swale, MA and I - who I presume are AF’s four ‘old farts’ on the basis of us being the most consistently outspoken against Farage - have every right to argue against those who support increasingly right wing politicians.

It’s not a question of me thinking, as they’ve suggested, that I’m always right. There are many examples that have been raised on here, from Trump’s sanctions to Ebou’s transfer where I hold an opinion but accept that I may or may not be right. Conversely there are certain other things, including racism, misogyny and indeed all forms of bullying that I KNOW I’m always right to oppose.

[SithHappens]

Another MP defects to Reform.

Farage previously said defecting MP 's should call a by election. Why the change of heart?

[ramAnag]

Another MP defects to Reform.

Farage previously said defecting MP 's should call a by election. Why the change of heart?

Andrew who?
Actually, just looked him up on Wiki. Advise others to do the same. Sounds a lovely chap. Not at all suspect. Perfect match.