Quote Originally Posted by baggiematt View Post
We are hundreds of billions worse off due to brexit and got nothing for it. We still have illegal migration. The only thing we do have is a loss of the ability to move to a different European country, which looks quite appealing now.

The man who sold it to the country should be cast out, but instead people who were duped by this man before will be duped by him again. They are the thick people, not those who voted for Brexit. Fool me once and all that…

If a man in a company puts forward a case to change business strategy and it fails, they dont tend to get promoted, they get sacked!

We need to start appointing people because of what they have done for the country and their track record, not the spin they sell.

Not Rupert Lowe who bankrupted Southampton and has multiple harassment cases against women but is now talking about how he would improve the UK economy and stop women getting harassed on the streets! You almost couldnt make it up!
I live in Rupert Lowe's constituency and my opinion of him is that he is a complete c u nt but he does still sadly attract support of the gullible/ ignorant or bigoted. The area has both high levels of poverty and immigration however so it's not hard to see how people like him can get a foothold when they spin promises about how they can make things so much better and use concerns over immigration as a scapegoat. Nothing new there then in the history of populist movements.

Neither Farage, with his "ordinary chap down the pub" schtick and acceptance of some £5 million in crypto donations from one billionaire alone, nor multi-millionaire Lowe really give a toss about "ordinary working people". And they are certainly not the answer to the country's problems. Reform can't run the council seats they won so imagine them in government.

The myriad of problems that this country faces are long standing and did not happen over night and both previous Labour and Conservative governments are responsible for the mess we are in now. The biggest issues are, firstly, that there are no easy answers/ quick fixes and the second is that we seem to have a dearth of politicians (of any party) with the competence to begin to fix things. I also think that John Major has a point when he talks about the generational impact of social media on politics whereby criticisms are magnified daily while alternative solutions are rarely put forward and the expectations are always for immediate fixes with little patience for the reality of timelines.

As for Brexit, whilst I certainly understood the frustrations over the EU, I personally always thought that it would have been better to remain and fight for changes from within rather than to leave. For me, at the time, there were far too many questions left unanswered in the public debates which, too frequently, involved simple gainsaying or naysaying. The worst thing was after the referendum when the more prickly questions over Brexit began to be more widely raised. The Brexiters were so concerned that another referendum might now overturn the Leave vote that they labelled it "undemocratic". Surely, when new information comes to light, people should be allowed to reconsider their previous decision? Especially in the case of such a momentous decision with all the potential consequences that it entailed for the country.