O/T Sarah Champion

[brassgnat]

SYP have been found wanting over Ian Watkins (Lost Prophets singer) who is not a Muslim. Also victims have been unhappy with police as regards Amanda Spencer and the 3 (white ) brothers from Arbathone grooming gang.
It's seems the cops are found wanting or actually colluding with abuse no matter the race/ religion of the abusers.

[Exiletyke]

I'm getting some bizarre replies today!

You've never heard of people going into work late because they are working late? Or they are working late but have to be in at 8.30am for a meeting and therefore take time out during the day? Surely that happens elsewhere doesn't it??

Not going to justify when and where I post on here to you or anyone, as I would expect you would answer if anyone asked you! But I will respond to you as a concerned taxpayer that we are an Ofsted grade 2 college and doing ok thank you!

(and as it happens, here I am on my holibobs and most of the day I've been writing funding reports. Don't suppose you'll take that into account when you're inspecting my hours sheets?)

Now kindly mind your own f****** business!

Dear dear touched a nerve have I

Whatever argument you may wish to respond with, however rude don't try & impress me or others with Ofsted for Petes sake
How on earth you manage to do 60 hours a week plus hours on end researching your posts plus having a 5 year old beggars belief
It's obvious that you spend a great deal of time on this forum not just posting but logged on & in a job with such demands as yours I am surprised you can find the time
As a taxpayer how you spend your time is my f****** business as you so eloquently put it

[ragingpup]

Dear dear touched a nerve have I

Whatever argument you may wish to respond with, however rude don't try & impress me or others with Ofsted for Petes sake
How on earth you manage to do 60 hours a week plus hours on end researching your posts plus having a 5 year old beggars belief
It's obvious that you spend a great deal of time on this forum not just posting but logged on & in a job with such demands as yours I am surprised you can find the time
As a taxpayer how you spend your time is my f****** business as you so eloquently put it

You might have noticed the smiley after my profanity? No nerve touched, although your obsession with my working hours on a Sarah Champion/child abuse thread is a bit weird.

PM me and I'll send you whatever details you need to assure you of my professional success and my working hours in my role, on every level. It's very easy to do but I'm not doing it on a public forum.

Why does it seem such a shock to you that people working in education might be working long hours? Our teachers, as most teachers, have to take work home as I do, and work well over 50 hours a week when you include this work. And they have families to manage too. I would have thought senior leaders in any organisation would be working long hours and taking work home with them/working at weekends and whilst on holidays.

In the meantime, anything to contribute on the thread?

[S8_Miller]

I think most people who do not have a particular allegiance to the Labour party will look at this and feel very frustrated and concerned that Labour appears to more concerned about rocking the boat with a large section of their voter base than defending the rights of vulnerable children. Champion has done no more than say exactly what Professor Jay said in the report or what Nazir Afzal, the chief crown prosecutor has said after sentencing many of these men or other moderate voices from the muslim community like Maajid Nawaz, Amina Lone, Zehra Zaidi, Sajid Javid‏ to name but a few.

Many will look on in bemusement at the deselection of Lone by Greater Manchester council and be rightly concerned that another outspoken critic of the overt misogyny that is rife within sections of the Pakistani community has been ousted by the party.

Naz Shah, who brought the whole Champion issue to the fore and forced her 'resignation' was in the past suspended from the party herself for what some viewed as anti-Semitic tweets. Personally, I thought her tweet was a little crass but I wouldn't necessarily ascribe the 'anti-Semitic' label to it. I think raising awareness about the Israeli government policy towards Palestinians is valid and some of the darker actions of Israel need to be called out without fear of being slurred anti-Semitic, so it is indeed hypocrisy of the highest order that it was Shah at the head of this anti-Muslim witch hunt.

Shah was also caught out liking and retweeting a tweet by an Owen Jones parody account. Now there may be some entirely innocent explanation to why she did this but I will leave that to you judge.

The Tweet in question said:

"those girls in Rotherham and elsewhere just need to shut their mouths. For the good of #diversity!"

[monty_rhodes]

Ragingpup, I thought you were a decent poster but see now you're just a pr*ck. You have deliberately misconstrued my posts. Just to reiterate; the point I'm making is that the leftie position on UK Muslims is contradictory and dishonest. You suggest that "your hope" is that UK Muslims will gradually adopt the culture and values of the host nation. I don't say you're racist but point out that your argument is deemed racist by your fellow lefties. In Lancashire their slogan (in the laughably named Joint Trades Council - laughable as none of them would know a trade if it bit their rrse - which is actually a front for Friends of Radical Islam) is "Separate But Equal" and your views would be denounced by THEM as racist and reflecting "cultural hegemony". You're all liars and the logic of your position will be greater segregation, a more militant Islam at grass roots level and a move to the "limited" (Oh yes, limited at first) introduction of Shariah.

[great_fire]

Looks like Sarah Champion may be realising the true nature of the party she's representing, one that sacrifices children for Muslim votes.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...ing-councillor

Leave them and become an independent.

[ragingpup]

Ragingpup, I thought you were a decent poster but see now you're just a pr*ck. You have deliberately misconstrued my posts. Just to reiterate; the point I'm making is that the leftie position on UK Muslims is contradictory and dishonest. You suggest that "your hope" is that UK Muslims will gradually adopt the culture and values of the host nation. I don't say you're racist but point out that your argument is deemed racist by your fellow lefties. In Lancashire their slogan (in the laughably named Joint Trades Council - laughable as none of them would know a trade if it bit their rrse - which is actually a front for Friends of Radical Islam) is "Separate But Equal" and your views would be denounced by THEM as racist and reflecting "cultural hegemony". You're all liars and the logic of your position will be greater segregation, a more militant Islam at grass roots level and a move to the "limited" (Oh yes, limited at first) introduction of Shariah.

Monty, in your post above, you said to me "Your views and those of Kerr and others are racist, not mine. They are profoundly racist because you (and Kerr stated it explicitly several times) peddle the line that all will be well as Muslims in the UK gradually adopt more of our (superior) culture and values". I did not "deliberately misconstrue" your post, that was what you said. I understand from what you have just said what you meant now that you've explained it and I'm genuinely sorry I misrepresented your views, but re read your post - it wasn't clear and I'm not a mind reader. Maybe if you'd said something like "in the opinion of the lefty do Golders (sic), you are a racist" that might have given me a chance?

But "pr*ck"? Really? *sighs*

Taking the rest of your post here, you appear to be saying that my clear opinion (which I think most people on here agree with) that I am expecting our immigrant communities to adhere to British values and laws would be considered racist by my "fellow lefties". If they feel that to be so, then I'm not much of a lefty am I? So why do you so persevere in lumping me under that label?

And "you're all liars"? Again *sighs* Really? Why? Why would I or anyone lie? We all have opinions based on our experiences and in some cases, yours included, you make good, valid points. But why the persistent hostility?

[a123]

Because without knowing it or thinking about it you have just done exactly the same as other racist do. "you can't challenge the Muslim community" Its not the Muslim Community just some of them. You wouldn't go round calling the Catholic Community Pedos would you.

There we go the tired old racism card.

What part of i would treat them all the same which I said in my original post are you struggling with?