O/T When did the right wingers....

[great_fire]

I'm a member of the Labour Party and Momentum and voted Leave in the referendum , any thoughts on that fire ?

That you ought to have a word with the rest of your party.

[rolymiller]

I think right wingers in general are pretty selfish. Think Thatcher-look after number 1 wasn't that her catchphrase or summat like it. A whole generation grew up with this crap etched into their brains and it still remains while ever we have that generation about who were conned into believing it. Me me me/ money money money they were the buzzwords. The Harry Enfield loadsa money character sort of summed up the times.

None of the right wingers who come on here ever seem to defend the poor or minority groups. Instead they attempt to marginalise them further and blame them for all of societies ills. Its those muslims/ welfare scroungers/ immigrants etc . If it wasn't for them this country wouldn't be going to the dogs. You know that sort of crap. Never do they blame the bankers or the Rupert Murdochs of this world or the tax fiddlers at the top. The corrupted rich.

People like Kerr seem to think its ok to hold racist views even though he would say he is not a racist himself because in some warped way racists have a right to be racists because that is democracy. If you want to hate groups of people that is your right sort of mentality.Not very democratic though for the minority groups who have to put up with it though is it?

[great_fire]

le ever we have that generation about who were conned into believing it. Themselves/ money they were the buzzwords. The Harry Enfield loadsa money character sort of summed up the times.

Oh my God.

WWI was just like Blackadder.

The 80s was summed up by Loadsamoney.

You watch too much TV, read a book FFS.

[rolymiller]

Oh my God.

WWI was just like Blackadder.

The 80s was summed up by Loadsamoney.

You watch too much TV, read a book FFS.

if you are going to quote me please quote me properly in the context of what i am saying or it becomes meaningless.

My second paragraph is the one you should be dealing with.

[KerrAvon]

People like Kerr seem to think its ok to hold racist views even though he would say he is not a racist himself because in some warped way racists have a right to be racists because that is democracy. If you want to hate groups of people that is your right sort of mentality.Not very democratic though for the minority groups who have to put up with it though is it?

I don't think it is up to you, me or anyone else to dictate how people should think, Roly. That way lays people being ‘disappeared’ in the middle of the night for holding dissident views.

I can see that you are a big fan of labels, in which case you could call me a realist or a libertarian (I appreciate that there are other labels that you would probably prefer to apply to me), in that I recognise that people can and will hold a range of views, many of which I would vehemently disagree with, but which they are perfectly entitled to hold. I also think that people are entitled to express their views, whether I agree with them or not, provided that they remain within the limits of the law. Nobody has the right not to be offended in a liberal democracy such as the one that we are fortunate to live in.

Of course you have the absolute right to oppose and argue with any views that others express. I believe in the market place of ideas in which debate and discussion are the best way to try to get at the truth. All very unfashionable, I know. It must be so much easier just to shout racist or any other form or ‘ist’ or ‘phobe’ than to argue a point. Reverting to name calling or simply trying to stop people expressing views that you don’t agree with isn’t the answer though. As I pointed out last week, gf is a bigot, but so are you in your own way.

[mikemiller]

So if you were a non-white patient would you be happy having a hard-core racist as your doctor, or even as an administrator involved in your case? Thankfully that's not how the NHS usually works, although, from what we have been told (if true) a few scumbags slip through the net. Far too abstract KerrAvon and not addressing the realities of the situation.

[great_fire]

Of course you have the absolute right to oppose and argue with any views that others express. I believe in the market place of ideas in which debate and discussion are the best way to try to get at the truth. All very unfashionable, I know. It must be so much easier just to shout racist or any other form or ‘ist’ or ‘phobe’ than to argue a point. Reverting to name calling or simply trying to stop people expressing views that you don’t agree with isn’t the answer though. As I pointed out last week, gf is a bigot, but so are you in your own way.

And you still won't admit to saying that the grooming gangs in Rotherham were an invention of the BNP.

And more importantly, whether you actually believed that at the time or were, like the council, trying to cover it up to preserve "community cohesion".

[rolymiller]

So then gfire lets keep it simple and step back a bit, what do you think to the kick racism out of football campaign. Good thing? Bad thing? Why? Why not? Were you on your feet when Cyril Regis died? Did you think what he did was a good thing for black footballers? Was it good for the game in general?

[great_fire]

So then gfire lets keep it simple and step back a bit, what do you think to the kick racism out of football campaign. Good thing? Bad thing? Why? Why not? Were you on your feet when Cyril Regis died? Did you think what he did was a good thing for black footballers? Was it good for the game in general?

What did you think about Ron Atkinson being part of the tributes?

20-25% of footballers are black, black and white footballers mix together, where's the racism to be kicked out? (Ron has already been kicked out).

[rolymiller]

I think, at this point, I shall go for a lie down...