O/T Next Labour Leader thread

[flourbasher]

I can,t say Pup as I only know the ones who,ve been in the press and they were all dreadful.
I hope they find someone but in my view it has to be someone who isn't tainted with the last campaign and the awful behaviour. Yep, the Tory,s were as bad but they don't need to make changes

[KerrAvon]

@ raging.

Nobody has told the Labour Party about having a Christmas truce and I am sure that you are aware that the current leadership is already working to ensure that the new guard is of their choosing. .

I see that Phillips is encouraging people to join to help ‘shape the future’ which is, I assume, an invitation for moderates to come back to provide a counter to the hard Left who joined to put and then keep Corbyn in power. She won’t be helped by the Momentum run NEC in that.

I would agree that having a leader who lacks the toxicity of Corbyn (and his chums) will assist the party, but it will not be enough if the new top team retains the ludicrous nationalisation and spend, spend, spend approach of the current lot. If having a working class background assisted a person to be an effective and charismatic leader then Long-Bailey and Raynor would be good shouts. Unfortunately, having a modicum of ability is probably more important.

Is it true that Burgon is threatening to stand? A crushing defeat and then that... Can it get any worse for Labour?

A thought for you. If you discount the Blair victories (because, as current Labour supporters like to point out ad nauseam, he was Tory lite) then it is now 45 years since Labour won an election and there will be four and a half years before the next one.

[Shark27]

Wasn't the 2017 elected opposition strong? It successfully opposed the government to such an extent it shut down parliament and call another general election to get its own way.

You want a strong opposition, but only one that allows the government to do what it wants when it's a policy that matches your opinion!

But they got the votes based on false promises. They changed their minds. In fact, then they didn't know what to do!! Completely inept. How's about they just went with the democratic vote which they said they'd do in 2017? The 2017 opposition wasnt strong. They were weak then, led by a weak leader and had weak people backing them up but they had the voters who would vote for peado ignoring labour councils and any MP who put their name to the party.

[animallittle3]

Anyone who thinks just by rebooting New Labour , silencing McCluskey and sending the Labour Party current front benches to the back never to be heard of again will turn this thing around is deluded .

For a start the disconnection with the heartlands started under Blair .

Corbyn inherited the disconnect he didn't create it , he may have made it worse with his background but it was there in 2015 all the same .

Bare in mind going on what they've admitted since Thursdays humiliation they probably didn't know they had the disconnect given none of em gave a shiny shyte about us up here or took the time to listen .

As I've pointed out there's the small matter of two time election losers themselves to explain if the formula was that good .

They might also want to revisit that wealth creation by credit card ain't real .

There's twenty years of taken for granted and left behind here to put on the table not just the last 4 years .

Everyone who has had a place in Westminster and support groups such as Momentum , the Unions since the mid 90's have their part of Thursdays debacle to take responsibility for .

New Labour is part of the problem not necessarily the solution .

If it wants to get it's @ss out of the capital anytime soon and actually start listening to folk up here , create wealth through decent jobs then fair enough .

Just to get a sweet talking charismatic figure and a New Labour poster behind him and nowt else is going to get trounced too around these parts .

[animallittle3]

But they got the votes based on false promises. They changed their minds. In fact, then they didn't know what to do!! Completely inept. How's about they just went with the democratic vote which they said they'd do in 2017? The 2017 opposition wasnt strong. They were weak then, led by a weak leader and had weak people backing them up but they had the voters who would vote for peado ignoring labour councils and any MP who put their name to the party.

That's down to Starmer apparently and Thornberry also had a huge part in it I've read .

Starmer and Corbyn had a right row over it but Corbyn gave way .

Once the ground had been conceded by Corbyn then the pro europe brigade in the party went to work trying to keep us in the EU .

Any type of leadership from Corbyn would have put Starmer back in his box and Thornberry too and sent the pro EU group packing .

Once they put their name to another referendum they were toast in the heartlands and I cancelled my membership straight away .

[Silly-miller]

Rebecca Long-Bailey And Lisa nandy are bookies favourites

[animallittle3]

Rebecca Long-Bailey And Lisa nandy are bookies favourites

Anyone within the party with half a brain would go with an interim leader and get Caroline Flint back in a seat at the earliest opportunity .

At least she speaks the language in the heartlands .

Fecking disgrace she's out of the game thanks to the Labour remainers .

The remainers need putting in their box , cost the party at least 59 seats in my opinion .

Anyway there are no remainers anymore , it's over and we are leaving .

If these feckers start up again with the remaining shyte they need the whip .

[Silly-miller]

Anyone within the party with half a brain would go with an interim leader and get Caroline Flint back in a seat at the earliest opportunity .

At least she speaks the language in the heartlands .

Fecking disgrace she's out of the game thanks to the Labour remainers .

The remainers need putting in their box , cost the party at least 59 seats in my opinion .

Anyway there are no remainers anymore , it's over and we are leaving .

If these feckers start up again with the remaining shyte they need the whip .

Difference of opinion is one thing but calling people who don’t agree with your political belief stupid and going on tv telling them they don’t know what they are voting for, will never be forgiven. In my opinion it is just as bad as telling cops to beat miners up (trust wise)

I agree we need her back get healey to step down she can be my mp please. Having a person from front bench become leader is like handing Tory’s the next election. Guy who lives next to my brother was sobbing his heart out the poor old man had voted for labour since he was old enough to vote he voted for brexit because he thought being part of Eu was a security risk and a betrayal to his dad who died in the war. (I didn’t ask)

He was crying because this same party called him a racist, stupid and treat him like a fool.

Poor man said he would never vote again

Anyone with any sense could see it coming animal the only ones who couldn’t was remain voters (yes you know who you are) and it was a delusion, you can’t ask people who voted brexit to give in to your own political view and they never would and that’s what labour needed to win. They created the split in their supporters them self and have paid a price for it and unless a true democratic leader is chosen And removes the dead weight like John healey they will pay for it again

[animallittle3]

Difference of opinion is one thing but calling people who don’t agree with your political belief stupid and going on tv telling them they don’t know what they are voting for, will never be forgiven. In my opinion it is just as bad as telling cops to beat miners up (trust wise)

I agree we need her back get healey to step down she can be my mp please. Having a person from front bench become leader is like handing Tory’s the next election. Guy who lives next to my brother was sobbing his heart out the poor old man had voted for labour since he was old enough to vote he voted for brexit because he thought being part of Eu was a security risk and a betrayal to his dad who died in the war. (I didn’t ask)

He was crying because this same party called him a racist, stupid and treat him like a fool.

Poor man said he would never vote again

Ill tell you despite the tory gains up here it's no easy thing voting for them , I couldn't have done it I can tell you that .

It shows the depths of what they felt about Labour for them to have to tick that box .

This goes deeper than brexit , brexit was the final nail in the Labour coffin and in reality it's been coming for years .

Get Brexit done was all they needed , someone who was on
their side , honoured the referendum result and more importantly respected them and their vote .

It's to be seen whether Johnson is worthy of that vote mind .

[Silly-miller]

Ill tell you despite the tory gains up here it's no easy thing voting for them , I couldn't have done it I can tell you that .

It shows the depths of what they felt about Labour for them to have to tick that box .

This goes deeper than brexit , brexit was the final nail in the Labour coffin and in reality it's been coming for years .

Get Brexit done was all they needed , someone who was on
their side , honoured the referendum result and more importantly respected them and their vote .

It's to be seen whether Johnson is worthy of that vote mind .

If you want to know what it felt like ticking that box it felt like I had picked dog **** up with my bare hand, but I felt I had to do it or the **** (John healey) would stain my constituency , as it were I didn’t have enough voters to clean it up

Problem is now come next election the feelings will be remembered just like people remembered the miners and this will be a focus seat for Tory’s and people will be looking very hard at don valley and rother valley to see how Tory’s treat the north