Racism

[animallittle3]

Just look at the amount of money that was paid out in compensation to owners of slaves when it was abolished in 1833 .

Cameron's ancestors amongst them , maybe that's why he apologised ?


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...n-8508358.html

[Jules88]

I read them all. Especially yours.. I can just imagine you with your tissues...... waiting patiently to say
“Wasn’t us sir”

.”But I wonder who it could be sir “..........?
probably been on Wikki all afternoon counting up which party put them up most......

Just so you can be first...............

Now who’s character is showing.!

[animallittle3]

Is that more your point.... ? Is that what’s really bothering you Exile? Not that they shouldn’t be there.... Just an opportunity to blame a particular party? The point is they are up. And the actual debate should be wether they should be up.... Wondered how long it would be before it became a Party Political blame thread..

Jules

If we are to factor in the times of the day as you have alluded to yourself , things we thought were funny such as " Love Thy Neigbour " in the 70's , Jim Davidson and Bernard Manning and the imperialists who sold slaves too .

You also have to balance that up that certain posters on here have strong views towards the Tory Party .

Myself , SB and Exile share those views , they aren't formed for nothing , it doesn't work that way contrary to popular belief .

It isn't cheap shot vitriol , it's life experience .

Not everyone is blessed to have a neutral mind and brought up or lived and worked in an area both logistically and industrial that was relatively untouched no matter which party held power .

I know your neck of the woods very well and I know I couldn't afford a house over that way without downsizing significantly , there aren't no Tipsy Cows this side of High Hoyland and Wombwell doesn't have the niche shopping experience Denby Dale enjoys .

There's more money on the industrial site where I work than was ever earned when it stood as Park Mill Pit and that's a fact .

It's not a pop at you , where you live or anything else and your a Tyke as much if not more than most of us .

Just saying that certain views regarding a certain party are held for a significant reason and not necessarily tribalism has some would have you believe .

[Jules88]

Jules

If we are to factor in the times of the day as you have alluded to yourself , things we thought were funny such as " Love Thy Neigbour " in the 70's , Jim Davidson and Bernard Manning and the imperialists who sold slaves too .

You also have to balance that up that certain posters on here have strong views towards the Tory Party .

Myself , SB and Exile share those views , they aren't formed for nothing , it doesn't work that way contrary to popular belief .

It isn't cheap shot vitriol , it's life experience .

Not everyone is blessed to have a neutral mind and brought up or lived and worked in an area both logistically and industrial that was relatively untouched no matter which party held power .

I know your neck of the woods very well and I know I couldn't afford a house over that way without downsizing significantly , there aren't no Tipsy Cows this side of High Hoyland and Wombwell doesn't have the niche shopping experience Denby Dale enjoys .

There's more money on the industrial site where I work than was ever earned when it stood as Park Mill Pit and that's a fact .

It's not a pop at you , where you live or anything else and your a Tyke as much if not more than most of us .

Just saying that certain views regarding a certain party are held for a significant reason and not necessarily tribalism has some would have you believe .

The measured response is appreciated, I do very much understand Animal. I actually live within two mile of Huddersfield Town centre, albeit close to fields. I live in a village with one of the oldest cricket fields in the country, and it’s quite nice. Very close to MoIdgreen and Dalton (not affluent areas ). I don’t live in a grand detached house, It’s a terrace. I MAY not even own it, and I do take your point as regards the fact that housing over here is significantly more expensive. My uncle worked at Park Mill, until he retired. My mother born in Wombwell. my father an electrician and great grandfather a lay preacher who baptised folk actually down the mine in Elsecar. I do understand why the thoughts of yourself exile and SB have a deep hatred of the Tories, I really do. And I DONT in any way think you shouldn’t have them. Or state them online.

The issue shouldn’t be about who put them up, or why....but if they should remain, and how deep the tenuous links should be before taking them down. Captain Cook? Lord Nelson? Harold Wilson is the next target for Kirklees Council.


My point in the post replying to exile was that the issue here is BAME, not Blame.

[Exiletyke]

I think it is very much the issue who put them up & why they were put up
Because unless you know why you will not know the context in which they were erected
You can't make a judgement without that knowledge
Were you in any way aware of this Colston bloke before all this & more importantly do you think you would ever have had it brought to public attention

[Jules88]

I think it is very much the issue who put them up & why they were put up
Because unless you know why you will not know the context in which they were erected
You can't make a judgement without that knowledge
Were you in any way aware of this Colston bloke before all this & more importantly do you think you would ever have had it brought to public attention

I was actually. Knew about him from reading about Bristol, it’s a place we’ve been a few good times, not just for footy. I like History. I wasn’t deep into this issue, . However, even though I know about it, I’m uncomfortable with the way it was brought down. Uncomfortable with the snowball of Snowflake opinion taking over this country and I’m uncomfortable with the depth of scrutiny that some of our statues and paintings are getting. Victoria’s statue in Huddersfield is under scrutiny, and she came to power after the abolition of slavery. Captain Cook is another.

I DO get that the statues of Certain people offend. I DO.

I want this to be a careful scrutiny, not an excuse to remove all symbols of our past. We all have stuff in our past we aren’t proud of.
Some we remember with a giggle, some we remember with shame.
The idea of putting certain statues in museums, where that shame can be felt is a good one....... Some iconic statues of Capt Cook, and Nelson should remain, as you say...... Not many folk outside Bristol would have known that statue existed.

[Exiletyke]

An inscription on the statue, which was built in 1895, read: “Erected by citizens of Bristol as a memorial of one of the most virtuous and wise sons of their city.”

Now that is patently not true is it?
That is why I said it does matter who put it up & more importantly,why
I think they should leave the plinth but add to the inscription that on this plinth stood the statue of a man who earned his fame by trading in slaves & was torn down by the citizens of this City once it gained public knowledge
It's becoming more & more obvious that the public are only told part of the story with regard to many of our "heroes" who are commemorated but if you are happy with this state of affairs so be it but I'm not & the inscription on the plinth would be as much as most would have known
Thank chuff we found out early about Jimmy Savile although the establihment fought tooth & nail to suppress it

[Romared]

It's quite possible that some good will come out of all this ? People may start thinking differently about things ? Times have to change , peaceful protests instead of violence ? I only hope this " gentle giant " isn't held up as some kind of Martyr/ the man who changes the world ? He was wrongfully murdered yes , but he had history allegedly ,
As for turning things political , well that needs toning down too , on here we have a few who dip , in now and again to air there left wing views , some are humour , some are nasty , it's not a oneway street , accept others opinions matter or better still just ignore ,

[Jules88]

Firstly, DONT, endeavour to swing your wooden spoon in such a way as to cause conflict and bad feeling. I am a little smarter than to grab at the hook you cast.

So I’ll give you one example, and apologise to Animal in advance if I’m wrong. sorry Animal, first one I came across.


“I said in an earlier post that I'm not in favour of erasing history”
which I take to mean that he is unhappy with the situation of the statues being there, yet agrees with me that there is a place for these “artefacts” to be displayed somewhere”. As it’s part of our history, good and bad.

I’m not going to troll all the posts, not my style. But I think we understand each other.
You want them torn down.
I want a discussion, and an agreed process, based on a sensible debate. Not a screaming mob who decide their destruction.

[Exiletyke]

Firstly, DONT, endeavour to swing your wooden spoon in such a way as to cause conflict and bad feeling. I am a little smarter than to grab at the hook you cast.

So I’ll give you one example, and apologise to Animal in advance if I’m wrong.


“I said in an earlier post that I'm not in favour of erasing history”
which I take to mean that he is unhappy with the situation of the statues being there, yet agrees with me that there is a place for these “artefacts” to be displayed somewhere”. As it’s part of our history, good and bad.

I’m not going to troll all the posts, not my style. But I think we understand each other.
You want them torn down.
I want a discussion, and an agreed process, based on a sensible debate. Not a screaming mob who decide their destruction.

You simply don't get it do you Jules
Are you aware how long the debate re the statue of Colston has been going on in Bristol?