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Thread: Greg Clarke resigns as FA chairman

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    .. does anyone on here really believe that appointing a non white FA Chairman is the solution to this situation?
    Tell me who is best QUALIFIED for the job ...

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    Fascinating article in the Guardian about Lewis Hamilton. A true hero of the Black Lives Matter campaign. Ticks every box for me.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...e_iOSApp_Other

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    Quote Originally Posted by drillerpie View Post
    You've got me there. I always pull the blinds down when I'm about to watch a bit of YouTube.

    Would you like to debate your assertion that critical race theory is ultimately aiming for colour blindness?

    Or debate the fact that these policies are obscure and extremist and not in fact dangerously close to becoming mainstream?
    What the **** are you on about ! You've got your head so far up a dark place you think 'theories' and 'policies' are about real life. You'd still be debating the impact of traffic flow over the bridge at Selma while real people took action. Ordinary people are just slowly going about eliminating discrimination in the lives of those affected and at the edges some are taking extreme steps to flag it up. It's not the extreme that matters just the tiny steps.
    Just try reading some of the current stories about the Yorkshire Ripper and how attitudes at the time cost lives. That has changed so much over the years by steady attrition to attitudes. It wasn't one big step just slow education with a lot of confusion and mistakes along the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frenchmagpie View Post
    What the **** are you on about ! You've got your head so far up a dark place you think 'theories' and 'policies' are about real life. You'd still be debating the impact of traffic flow over the bridge at Selma while real people took action. Ordinary people are just slowly going about eliminating discrimination in the lives of those affected and at the edges some are taking extreme steps to flag it up. It's not the extreme that matters just the tiny steps.
    Just try reading some of the current stories about the Yorkshire Ripper and how attitudes at the time cost lives. That has changed so much over the years by steady attrition to attitudes. It wasn't one big step just slow education with a lot of confusion and mistakes along the way.
    Ok. So you don't want to debate your assertion about colour blindness (don't blame you at all for that, you would lose), you just want to try and conflate my posts about the contemporary anti-racism movement with me apparently prioritising traffic flow over the original civil rights movement, and somehow, don't ask me how, with somehow being comfortable with decades-old attitudes that led to the murders of *** workers not being taken seriously (yes I read the Guardian too).

    It baffles me that anyone would choose to advertise their ignorance and lack of coherent arguments on a public forum in such a way, but of that's what you want to do then be my guest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlackHorse View Post
    .. does anyone on here really believe that appointing a non white FA Chairman is the solution to this situation?
    Tell me who is best QUALIFIED for the job ...
    Now you've mentioned it, it might not be a bad idea. After all, every previous FA Chairman (16 of them) has been white. Plus all 13 FA Presidents have been white. Plus all 18 Secretary's/ Chief Execs have been white. Might be time for a change...

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    Quote Originally Posted by upthemaggies View Post
    It's a little more complicated than that. Are you OK with "punchy jerk rice" for example?
    Last word I'll say on the issue and you lot can justify it any way you want but it's not more complicated than that. I'm not talking about BLM or the cancel culture or woke which I have already said in this thread I don't agree with all their policies and actions, each has to be taken on an individual case. I'm saying stop using words that deep down you know aren't right and the group they're directed at find offensive. Like I say try and justify it all you want and tie it into BLM or whatever you want to do but that's not what I'm saying, I'm saying stop using the words I put in my post to describe Black and Asian people. End of. You can make it more complicated if you want, I'm talking about how you use your language, only you can change that.

    Oh and I don't have a problem with punchy jerk rice, I read at the time that apparently they weren't happy with Jamie Oliver using that description as the recipe contained hardly any traditional ingredients used in jerk chicken. If that's an issue to some people then fair enough, doesn't bother me in the slightest. Don't call it jerk rice if its not I guess like cornish pasties, can't call it what it isn't.

    That though was a pathetic example to go along with not being able to put up St George crosses. I can say punchy jerk rice and put a flag up whenever I want. No one is stopping me. They might say something though if I say nig nog or paki and they'd be well within their rights to. Like I say last word, stop pathetically trying to justify it or complain that Jamie Oliver can't call something punchy jerk rice. I can't believe people argue about not offending people due to race. I'm out ****ing dinosaurs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyfists View Post
    Last word I'll say on the issue and you lot can justify it any way you want but it's not more complicated than that. I'm not talking about BLM or the cancel culture or woke which I have already said in this thread I don't agree with all their policies and actions, each has to be taken on an individual case. I'm saying stop using words that deep down you know aren't right and the group they're directed at find offensive. Like I say try and justify it all you want and tie it into BLM or whatever you want to do but that's not what I'm saying, I'm saying stop using the words I put in my post to describe Black and Asian people. End of. You can make it more complicated if you want, I'm talking about how you use your language, only you can change that.

    Oh and I don't have a problem with punchy jerk rice, I read at the time that apparently they weren't happy with Jamie Oliver using that description as the recipe contained hardly any traditional ingredients used in jerk chicken. If that's an issue to some people then fair enough, doesn't bother me in the slightest. Don't call it jerk rice if its not I guess like cornish pasties, can't call it what it isn't.

    That though was a pathetic example to go along with not being able to put up St George crosses. I can say punchy jerk rice and put a flag up whenever I want. No one is stopping me. They might say something though if I say nig nog or paki and they'd be well within their rights to. Like I say last word, stop pathetically trying to justify it or complain that Jamie Oliver can't call something punchy jerk rice. I can't believe people argue about not offending people due to race. I'm out ****ing dinosaurs.
    To imply anybody here wants to be able to use some of the words you've actually gone ahead and typed is hopefully a miss-timed tackle. Nobody is arguing for the freedom to use those words. "Coloured" however is now a grey area again. What do we do about "The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People"? Should they change their name? If not, is it OK for white people to say the name? Does context matter or not?

    Cultural appropriation is becoming an increasingly big issue, the pop star Adelle was feeling the heat recently for having braided hair and it's now hobbling the acting profession- actors are expected to have the same ***uality as the part they are playing, authors are coming under pressure to not to write about ethnic characters in fiction. It's a minefield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveSmithRules View Post
    Now you've mentioned it, it might not be a bad idea. After all, every previous FA Chairman (16 of them) has been white. Plus all 13 FA Presidents have been white. Plus all 18 Secretary's/ Chief Execs have been white. Might be time for a change...
    Alex Scott or Jermain Jenas must be in the running? They are into everything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyfists View Post
    Last word I'll say on the issue and you lot can justify it any way you want but it's not more complicated than that. I'm not talking about BLM or the cancel culture or woke which I have already said in this thread I don't agree with all their policies and actions, each has to be taken on an individual case. I'm saying stop using words that deep down you know aren't right and the group they're directed at find offensive. Like I say try and justify it all you want and tie it into BLM or whatever you want to do but that's not what I'm saying, I'm saying stop using the words I put in my post to describe Black and Asian people. End of. You can make it more complicated if you want, I'm talking about how you use your language, only you can change that.

    Oh and I don't have a problem with punchy jerk rice, I read at the time that apparently they weren't happy with Jamie Oliver using that description as the recipe contained hardly any traditional ingredients used in jerk chicken. If that's an issue to some people then fair enough, doesn't bother me in the slightest. Don't call it jerk rice if its not I guess like cornish pasties, can't call it what it isn't.

    That though was a pathetic example to go along with not being able to put up St George crosses. I can say punchy jerk rice and put a flag up whenever I want. No one is stopping me. They might say something though if I say nig nog or paki and they'd be well within their rights to. Like I say last word, stop pathetically trying to justify it or complain that Jamie Oliver can't call something punchy jerk rice. I can't believe people argue about not offending people due to race. I'm out ****ing dinosaurs.
    I'm with you mate. It's like being in the sixth form common room with the Socialist Working Party nerds trying to sound intellectual and telling us that they will change the world. It's not real life. No-one gives a **** about their theories or fancy ideas. Just be respectful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frenchmagpie View Post
    I'm with you mate. It's like being in the sixth form common room with the Socialist Working Party nerds trying to sound intellectual and telling us that they will change the world. It's not real life. No-one gives a **** about their theories or fancy ideas. Just be respectful.
    I don't want to seem like I'm nitpicking, but:

    If you agree with CF's post then you've just won an argument against absolutely nobody, about the right to use words that nobody on this thread has said they want to use.

    Any socialists of sixth-form age who want to change the world would most probably be diametrically opposed to my point of view.

    You have made assertions about modern anti-racism that you seem unable or unwilling to back up, but you also seem unable or unwilling to admit that you made a mistake

    I think you have totally misunderstood what's going on here.

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