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[John2]

I’m connected with reality John, the ONS have confirmed what sensible people thought.

If you think that people who were run over by a bus died of Covid so be it

lol, so this is how the cognitive dissonance manifests.

I clearly agree that people hit by busses did not die of covid - so that's a straw man completely ignoring everything I said. You then make vague inferences to something unrelated to convince yourself you're right, completely ignoring the points I made. I was curious what route you would go down.

I genuinely don't know if you're just embarrassedly trying to deflect, or if you're just that lacking in your comprehension you don't understand what I'm saying.

[LincsMiller]

A bit stereotypical there Lincs with regards who's doing the cleaning

Dead right CAM , I apologise to all the male cleaners and female porters , plus any non gender front liners out there doing a great job.

[ragingpup]

Dead right CAM , I apologise to all the male cleaners and female porters , plus any non gender front liners out there doing a great job.

What about us multi-genders!

B@stard!

[MillerBill]

Can we have a vaccine for wokemania?This is a very serious pandemic but it can be eliminated, if we allow common sense to rule again.

[ragingpup]

I’m connected with reality John, the ONS have confirmed what sensible people thought.

If you think that people who were run over by a bus died of Covid so be it

Sorry gm, what is your explanation for the excess death rate being so high since the start of covid? I think that's a good question. That data seems to suggest that the actual covid only deaths are much nearer the 150k than the 15k that you supported. If it wasn't covid, and these huge numbers of people were going to die anyway, why did so many more than the weekly/monthly average die throughout the pandemic?

(between you and me, you're not coming over terribly well on this debate )

[great_fire]

I wouldn't go on about logical fallacies too much, gf

You bought it all.

I would have thought a lawyer would be more sceptical.

I wouldn't hire you.

I haven't even mentioned the SAGE modelling.

[ragingpup]

Can we have a vaccine for wokemania?This is a very serious pandemic but it can be eliminated, if we allow common sense to rule again.

Wokemania - mainly present in the eyes of twitchy old buggas on footy message boards who think that common sense is a new phenomena and not used repeatedly by their exasperated parents when they were young

[Slimchance]

lol, so this is how the cognitive dissonance manifests.

I clearly agree that people hit by busses did not die of covid - so that's a straw man completely ignoring everything I said. You then make vague inferences to something unrelated to convince yourself you're right, completely ignoring the points I made. I was curious what route you would go down.

I genuinely don't know if you're just embarrassedly trying to deflect, or if you're just that lacking in your comprehension you don't understand what I'm saying.

I'll have a bash John

The average age of death with covid is still over 80 and has not drop very much, with or without the jab.

Unfortunately people 80 plus do die from minor ailments that younger people easily deal with. The ONS figures show around 17,500 people died with no other known illness, this wouldnt include the vast majority of 80 plus people as they would have more risk factors and to say covid pushed them over the edge is hard to prove without investigation.

[John2]

I'll have a bash John

The average age of death with covid is still over 80 and has not drop very much, with or without the jab.

Unfortunately people 80 plus do die from minor ailments that younger people easily deal with. The ONS figures show around 17,500 people died with no other known illness, this wouldnt include the vast majority of 80 plus people as they would have more risk factors and to say covid pushed them over the edge is hard to prove without investigation.

For sure covid has affected predominantly an older population who were statistically closer to death than the younger population, and huge number of older people have pre-existing conditions.

However it is really a dumb argument to imply that anyone who had a co-existing illness with covid didn't die of covid which is what this flawed interpretation of the ONS figures suggests.

In fact, suggesting someone who had diabetes and died of covid DIDN'T die of covid is as dumb as suggesting someone who had covid and was hit by a bus DID die of covid. Which is ironic given the line of reasoning GM has been going down.

Even though older people are closer to death, it is a flawed argument to imply they were going to die anyway. A great many of those that died of covid would have had many further years that have been taken from them.

It's flawed logic but one I see used a lot to say that older people were going to die anyway... we're all going to die anyway.

[LincsMiller]

What about us multi-genders!

B@stard!

Again, apologies rp, here in sleepy rural Lincolnshire we are struggling with non gender, multi hasn’t filtered through yet.
As a matter of interest, does non-gender fall into the multi group?