O/T And we wonder why we trust Starmer

[frogmiller]

I thought the left were anti war 😂

[frogmiller]

Do you think that Starmer should put British boots on the ground ragingpup or should I say anymore boots on the ground.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Do you think that Starmer should put British boots on the ground ragingpup or should I say anymore boots on the ground.

We have no firkin boots and sending a gunboat up the river went out with Queen Victoria. The MoD is a mess

[ragingpup]

I thought the left were anti war 😂

Very droll, but not sure it's a left position when the likes of Pritti Patel is supporting Starmer's position of keeping ground forces in Ukraine as an option. I think we all share the same ground that we want the war to stop, the fundamental difference seems to be that I (and probably the majority of UK people) don't think it can be achieved whilst Russian forces occupy a part of the Ukraine against the country's democratic wishes. Whereas you seem to share Trump's delusion that you can strike a deal with Russia to stop hostilities without Ukraine's agreement.

(If it turns out that somehow, Trump can strike a deal with Putin that involves the full withdrawal of Russian troops, then I would hugely respect and support Trump for that. This isn't about hating on the man for dogmatic reasons)

[frogmiller]

Very droll, but not sure it's a left position when the likes of Pritti Patel is supporting Starmer's position of keeping ground forces in Ukraine as an option. I think we all share the same ground that we want the war to stop, the fundamental difference seems to be that I (and probably the majority of UK people) don't think it can be achieved whilst Russian forces occupy a part of the Ukraine against the country's democratic wishes. Whereas you seem to share Trump's delusion that you can strike a deal with Russia to stop hostilities without Ukraine's agreement.

(If it turns out that somehow, Trump can strike a deal with Putin that involves the full withdrawal of Russian troops, then I would hugely respect and support Trump for that. This isn't about hating on the man for dogmatic reasons)

Pritti Patel?

https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/stoc...an-ukraine-war

[UlleyMiller]

I'm glad you lot aren't negotiating the end of anything.... definitely no end in sight!

[frogmiller]

I'm glad you lot aren't negotiating the end of anything.... definitely no end in sight!

You can?t negotiate opinions Ulley. Opinions are like arse holes, we all have them and act like them sometimes.

[frogmiller]

We have no firkin boots and sending a gunboat up the river went out with Queen Victoria. The MoD is a mess

Heavily invested in technology and not people.

[ragingpup]

I gave you a list of things that may have upset Putin.

Who do you think runs the Ukraine now? Has sovereign land been sold off?

Have you got evidence of Ukrainian land being sold off and that anyone other than the elected government running Ukraine? Please share sources on how they are controlling as very interested to see.

And I asked you if France invaded and occupied Kent, would you be willing to give Kent up to them in order for them to stop fighting? Quite a simple question.

[ragingpup]

Pritti Patel?

https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/stoc...an-ukraine-war

What of her?