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    Quote Originally Posted by i961pie View Post
    Trump again accused Zelensky of starting the war. When Russia invaded Crimea Zelensky wasn't the president. The blokes a numpty and a liar, among numerous other things.
    I wish I could understand why he makes such clearly factually incorrect statements. It is not for the benefit of the rest of the world. He doesn't need to do it for his voters. Does he really believe it or does he just have it in for Zelensky, a man on the world stage who has more status than the orange man?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old_pie View Post
    I wish I could understand why he makes such clearly factually incorrect statements. It is not for the benefit of the rest of the world. He doesn't need to do it for his voters. Does he really believe it or does he just have it in for Zelensky, a man on the world stage who has more status than the orange man?
    The world.

    I do not think it means what you think it means.

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    The man who thought drinking bleach could cure COVID will take advice from no-one. Every legal business he had has failed. The man who stood in front of a church waving a bible he held upside down yet could not name a single verse from it is virtually worshipped by the Republic voters - gullible sheep or just adult children happy in their ignorance? His own party hierarchy are noticibly quiet while he performs his bewildering manoeuvres with his "tariffs", a word he must have heard somewhere as he famously reads very little.

    I have very little sympathy for the American public who have lost (or thrown away) the ability to think critically or contemplate the future beyond what the next Fox News babe might be wearing.

    The next "Great Depression" might be looming over the horizon but who cares? A repeat of "Happy Days" might be on another channel, let's watch that instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old_pie View Post
    I wish I could understand why he makes such clearly factually incorrect statements. It is not for the benefit of the rest of the world. He doesn't need to do it for his voters. Does he really believe it or does he just have it in for Zelensky, a man on the world stage who has more status than the orange man?
    It's not just about Zelensky though, he makes things up and many of his statements are littered with untruths and down right lies. It's embarrassing listening to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by i961pie View Post
    It's not just about Zelensky though, he makes things up and many of his statements are littered with untruths and down right lies. It's embarrassing listening to him.
    He's telling the American (re)public what they want to hear, it's their favourite toy and you can't take it off them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by i961pie View Post
    It's not just about Zelensky though, he makes things up and many of his statements are littered with untruths and down right lies. It's embarrassing listening to him.
    Same can be said with Starmer and his lot

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    Same can be said with Starmer and his lot
    Same was said about Boris Johnson and his lot.

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    In a bit of better news, Trump has had some potential effect on the upcoming Canadian election.

    https://bsky.app/profile/leohickman..../3lmw6vr7z7c2a

    Wow. Will be interesting if theres anything remotely similar in the Australian election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigFatPie View Post
    In a bit of better news, Trump has had some potential effect on the upcoming Canadian election.

    https://bsky.app/profile/leohickman..../3lmw6vr7z7c2a

    Wow. Will be interesting if theres anything remotely similar in the Australian election.
    I am sceptical on how much of the Liberal Partys resurgence in the polls is a reaction to the election and behaviour of Donald Trump, rather than a reflection a several other factors that have recently upset the previous trajectory.

    Our former prime minister, Justin Trudeau, who was so beloved outside of Canada but absolutely hated within, finally stepped aside. As your chart shows, he was getting absolute wrecked in the polls and he was taking the whole Party down with him.

    Some of the reasons for his unpopularity were as follows: There is a very serious housing crisis here that has been getting exponentially worse with each successive year and they have been doing absolutely nothing about it - even go so far as to tell the public they will not bring housing prices down. Inflation, while according to official numbers has been coming back down closer to normal, people are not seeing it at the grocery stores. Or infrastructure has suffered from severe neglect and lack of investment. This is apparent in every major Canadian city, and Canadians are finally becoming aware that countries like China have far surpassed us in modernizing. This is coupled with the fact that we, like many western countries, have been bringing in record numbers of immigrants but just do not have the public infrastructure to support them and accommodate so many people. There has also been a significant shift in the wind in regards to identity politics issues. Trudeau was the champion of jumping on top of a Pride Parade float - this is now backfiring. As you may recall he was caught in photographs wearing black face more than once and is was probably the only global leader of his time who could get away with it. But his years of talking a lot while saying nothing are catching up with him. It was long evident before he realized it that be needed to go.

    But nobody was ever really excited about the Cinservative Partys leading man. They only wanted to punish Trudeau.

    This was exactly in the same veins as all the British politicians - Theresa May, the forgettable woman who lost the bet to the head of lettuce, Rishi Sunak and now Keir Starmer. Nobody really voted FOR any of these politicians, but rather did so begrudgingly because they liked the other option even less. Many would characterize American politics the exact same way. I would even go so far as to say very few people were die hard Trump or Harris fans, they just found their particular choice a bit less unpalatable than the other.

    Enter Mark Carney, the new Liberal Prime Minister. Despite being a somewhat disgraced world banker of sorts, the Canadian media has pumped him up to be the second coming of Jesus. They’re really worked hard and spent a lot of money trying to pump him up in the eyes of Canadians. And according to official polls (which somehow are oddly much different than internal polls), people are buying it!

    There was even a clear election campaign propaganda article the other day crediting Carney with orchestrating a buying and selling of US bonds that caused Trump to pause the tariffs. What it failed to mention, and made it so obviously clear that it is an election article, is that Carney had been PM for less than a month and still does not even hold a seat in the Canadian parliament… and yet he somehow significantly increased our bond yield within 3 weeks, and organized half of the world to do the same, then sold them off en mass. A poster above alluded to this same story.

    Anyways… the election is right around the corner. If the polls are right The Liberals will have pulled one out of a hat. But I think it is far less to do with Trump and more the lack of options.

    Like you guys had the choice between Sunak and Starmer, while the Americans had the choice between Trump and Harris.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andy6025 View Post
    I am sceptical on how much of the Liberal Partys resurgence in the polls is a reaction to the election and behaviour of Donald Trump, rather than a reflection a several other factors that have recently upset the previous trajectory.

    Our former prime minister, Justin Trudeau, who was so beloved outside of Canada but absolutely hated within, finally stepped aside. As your chart shows, he was getting absolute wrecked in the polls and he was taking the whole Party down with him.

    Some of the reasons for his unpopularity were as follows: There is a very serious housing crisis here that has been getting exponentially worse with each successive year and they have been doing absolutely nothing about it - even go so far as to tell the public they will not bring housing prices down. Inflation, while according to official numbers has been coming back down closer to normal, people are not seeing it at the grocery stores. Or infrastructure has suffered from severe neglect and lack of investment. This is apparent in every major Canadian city, and Canadians are finally becoming aware that countries like China have far surpassed us in modernizing. This is coupled with the fact that we, like many western countries, have been bringing in record numbers of immigrants but just do not have the public infrastructure to support them and accommodate so many people. There has also been a significant shift in the wind in regards to identity politics issues. Trudeau was the champion of jumping on top of a Pride Parade float - this is now backfiring. As you may recall he was caught in photographs wearing black face more than once and is was probably the only global leader of his time who could get away with it. But his years of talking a lot while saying nothing are catching up with him. It was long evident before he realized it that be needed to go.

    But nobody was ever really excited about the Cinservative Partys leading man. They only wanted to punish Trudeau.

    This was exactly in the same veins as all the British politicians - Theresa May, the forgettable woman who lost the bet to the head of lettuce, Rishi Sunak and now Keir Starmer. Nobody really voted FOR any of these politicians, but rather did so begrudgingly because they liked the other option even less. Many would characterize American politics the exact same way. I would even go so far as to say very few people were die hard Trump or Harris fans, they just found their particular choice a bit less unpalatable than the other.

    Enter Mark Carney, the new Liberal Prime Minister. Despite being a somewhat disgraced world banker of sorts, the Canadian media has pumped him up to be the second coming of Jesus. They’re really worked hard and spent a lot of money trying to pump him up in the eyes of Canadians. And according to official polls (which somehow are oddly much different than internal polls), people are buying it!

    There was even a clear election campaign propaganda article the other day crediting Carney with orchestrating a buying and selling of US bonds that caused Trump to pause the tariffs. What it failed to mention, and made it so obviously clear that it is an election article, is that Carney had been PM for less than a month and still does not even hold a seat in the Canadian parliament… and yet he somehow significantly increased our bond yield within 3 weeks, and organized half of the world to do the same, then sold them off en mass. A poster above alluded to this same story.

    Anyways… the election is right around the corner. If the polls are right The Liberals will have pulled one out of a hat. But I think it is far less to do with Trump and more the lack of options.

    Like you guys had the choice between Sunak and Starmer, while the Americans had the choice between Trump and Harris.
    The sort of *all politicians are the same* nonsense I would expect from a Putin apologist.

    Also claiming that chart I linked to is to do with everything except Trump wanting to annex Canada suggests a denial of reality commensurate with many of your other posts.

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