O/T:- Trump Presidency 2.0 [hic sunt dracones]

[andy6025]

The sort of *all politicians are the same* nonsense I would expect from a Putin apologist.

Also claiming that chart I linked to is to do with everything except Trump wanting to annex Canada suggests a denial of reality commensurate with many of your other posts.

Your chart clearly shows that the flip between the Conservatives and Liberals occurred exactly when Carney was elected at the Liberal Party leadership convention and sworn in as Prime Minister 5 days later, rather than almost 2 months before when Trump was sworn in, or 4 months prior when he was elected. Had Trudeau stayed on as Liberal leader this flip would never have happened. As I explained before, Trudeaus unpopularity dragged the Liberals deep into the mud. Their miraculous resurgence has nothing to do Trump.

[Lullapie]

At the weekend Joe Biden was officially diagnosed with what could be construed as terminal prostate cancer. A horrible diagnosis to have and I'm sure we all hope he gets the best care and treatment to try and prolong or defeat the awful illness.

On a non-personal level though, it does open up how many lies did the Democratic Party hierarchy tell to the US public (and indeed the world). We're not talking about Joe Bloggs here, we are talking about President Joe Biden.

The rats are already leaving the sinking ship, with Democrat-journalist Jake Tapper trying his best to eek a few more dollars out of Joe Biden's suffering, by releasing his book, Original Sin, remarking about how those in the Party were aware of Joe's mental decline BEFORE he stood for election in 2020. However, Tapper was adamant on CNN right up until Trump won, that Biden's cognitive function was fine. Another hypocrite.

There's a pattern emerging in the world, where when the left is found out to be telling lies or that they have done something wrong, to call it a right-wing conspiracy theory. Remember Trump being elected through Russian money? Remember Hunter Biden's fake Russian laptop? Remember the British anti-asylum riots being those of the far-right. For those where I live, there is still the video of Jacinda Ardern 'speaking' to the New Zealand public, telling them to only believe what she and her government told them. She also tried to get through a 'hate speech' act where the government decided what was hate speech - a la Joseph Goebbels.

The left control so much of the media and hence control the narrative. Trump added to the English language the expression 'fake news'. You don't see it, until you see it, then you start to question everything that you are fed through the media.

More Democrat lies will emerge as time moves on. Lets hope next time they get into power, that the media offers up more scrutiny to prevent this from happening again.

Jill Biden is starting to look like a real life Lady Macbeth.

[SwalePie]

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Trump added to the English language the expression 'fake news'. You don't see it, until you see it, then you start to question everything that you are fed through the media.

Yes that's Trump's comms strategy in a nutshell. He is perhaps the greatest root cause of the proliferation of conspiracy theories and culture-war gaslighting in recent times.

The final part above is the problem. You start to question both the dubious sources and the trustworthy ones until you become so distrustful that you don't know what to believe any more...so you believe nothing but him and his people's BS. He depends on that.

[andy6025]

Yes that's Trump's comms strategy in a nutshell. He is perhaps the greatest root cause of the proliferation of conspiracy theories and culture-war gaslighting in recent times.

The final part above is the problem. You start to question both the dubious sources and the trustworthy ones until you become so distrustful that you don't know what to believe any more...so you believe nothing but him and his people's BS. He depends on that.

While I will enthusiastically grant that Donald Trump is far from a pedlar of the truth and that he has a tendency to make sh?*t up at a whim, I beg to know who the hell you
find trustworthy?

Take this nifty little conglomeration of clips as an example. Almost nobody at all in the political sphere, left or right, and the media, left or right, seemed to question the ridiculously absurd chorus of anchors and expert talking heads claiming that Russia blew up the Nordstream pipeline. Only one guest who appeared in the MAM, professor Jeffrey Sachs, said that it was clearly the United States whoodunnit, but he was immediately shut down. Anyone else who also might have claimed it was not Russia was let nowhere near the airwaves.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NSZyKY...VsaW5lIGNsaXBz

So, how can we trust anything they say when they are either such unabashed liars who will tell the public whatever the CIA wants them to say, or they are so laughably stupid that they cannot recognize how dumb their claims are?

Who in the MSM, pray tell, is trustworthy?

[Lullapie]

Yes that's Trump's comms strategy in a nutshell. He is perhaps the greatest root cause of the proliferation of conspiracy theories and culture-war gaslighting in recent times.

The final part above is the problem. You start to question both the dubious sources and the trustworthy ones until you become so distrustful that you don't know what to believe any more...so you believe nothing but him and his people's BS. He depends on that.

I believe all sides talk bull$hit. I'm not bothered who says it, left or right. The main argument at the moment is that much of the stuff peddled by the Democrats in the last five years as being fact, is only now being proved to be rubbish in the simplest sense or state funded propaganda in a more scary way.

It's not true to say that Trump is greatest root of conspiracy theories in recent times, unless you believe everything that he says is 100% accurate when he says it. It just shows that someone either literally believes all his comments to be true when he says them, which makes them exceptionally gullible (which I very much doubt in your case) or they know them to be Trump just blustering, but then show faux disgust to appear offended.

You only have to look at the 2024 US Election in depth to see how much the Democrats created conspiracies, which was in relation to their huge marketing budget, compared to the Republicans.

[Jampie]

Thanks Andy, seriously interesting stuff from you. I don't know much about Canadian politics, but I suspect you're right about a lot of stuff there.

But also, I guarantee there's also a Trump effect - as there is here in Australia. His brand is toxic to a majority of Australians, and that majority grew when he began trashing alliances, abusing allies, tearing up old trade agreements on a whim and doing... whatever the fork he is trying to do with tariffs. So far he's achieved only economic damage as near as I can tell.

Our "left wing" government were consistently behind in the polls until Trump's Rampage 2.0 began, and now they're definitely ahead again. However, I sincerely hope for a minority government because like your "left wing" party they have achieved exactly nothing whatsoever about our housing crisis, and there are smaller parties and independents advocating for more direct action on the issue.

Australia is a very strange country with a lot of different environments in which people live, so the solutions aren't going to be one-size-fits-all, but basically like Canada we simultaneously have ridiculous amounts of land per person, and a critical shortage of housing. We also have every resource you could possibly imagine so there is absolutely no reason for there to be a shortage of anything, let alone something so basic as housing. But successive (incompetent) governments of both "sides" have either ignored the problem or actively made it worse, because it's easy "economic growth" to have one asset class that a majority of people invest in that constantly grows in "value" no matter what.

The reality is that the most of the "value growth" in our housing stocks is just inflation, but good luck explaining that to the average voter. Although a growing number definitely sense that something is wrong.

Prior to Trump's various fiascos since taking office again, the right wing party here were very much trying on his slogans and adopting his talking points. But recently they've been backpedalling on that hard enough that everyone seems to have noticed the shift. And it's not a good look.

Thankfully, because we have mandatory voting and consequently very high voter turnout, the kind of extremist nonsense Trump sprouts was never going to fly here with enough votes to win power. And because we have ranked choice voting minor parties and independents have been steadily growing in power for a while. The two majors were down to about 30% first preference votes each last federal election and the polls suggest that number's slipped.

[Med Pie]

Fairly clear now why the US and Trump are siding with Russia, this from Witkoff.

In his interview with Fox News, Witkoff said: "This peace deal is about these so-called five territories. But there's so much more to it… I think we might be on the verge of something that would be very important for the world at large."

"On top of that, I believe there's a possibility to reshape the Russian-United States relationship through some very compelling commercial opportunities that I think give real stability to the region too," he added.

This on top of the US demand for access to Ukrainian mineral wealth in return for continued weapons supplies, the American strategy is clearly one of lining their pockets with absolutely zero, genuine regard for the rest of the planet.

[Jampie]

Even if that minerals deal with the US secured Ukraine all of their lost territory and a return of their abducted citizens (including children), I would say it's immoral. The US has basically announced they never cared about peace or anyone's sovereignty - it's only ever been money. Vile.

But to be all about "compelling commercial opportunities"... with one of the most corrupt nations on earth run by one of the most brutal authoritarian regimes on earth, the guys who started the war... it's just unbelievable. A whole new layer of unbelievably disgusting crap coming from Washington.

[The Dug Out]

He's telling the American (re)public what they want to hear, it's their favourite toy and you can't take it off them.

Hi is also telling the vast majority of American citizens that overwhelming voted for him that he is doing exactly what they voted him in to do.

[drillerpie]

Hi is also telling the vast majority of American citizens that overwhelming voted for him that he is doing exactly what they voted him in to do.

Vast majority?