O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[Mapperleypie]

The trouble is that you are going to find liars and cheats in every level of life.

Completely agree, the issue is once they are found out to be liars and cheats they should be voted out of office/prosecuted not gain more support.

[Elite_Pie]

The trouble is that you are going to find liars and cheats in every level of life.

Agree, and the higher up the ladder you go the more liars and cheats you tend to find.

This government are on the very top rung.

[BanjoPie]

It was indeed disastrous for Labour, they are clearly in big trouble. I don't care who people vote for, whether it's Lib Dems, Greens, Monster Raving Loony Party etc. The important thing is that it's a vote taken away from the bunch of liars and cheats currently in charge.

Only to give it to another bunch of liars and cheats!!!

[countygump]

Only to give it to another bunch of liars and cheats!!!

That point seems to get missed Banjo. It seems to come with being in Gov, which is sad.

[Borg elite]

Was that massive defeat a dream serious ? You really are making a fool of yourself again boy...

[seriouspie]

Was that massive defeat a dream serious ? You really are making a fool of yourself again boy...

It certainly was youth. But I'm not twitching yet until we see what happens in Batley & Spen.

[Elite_Pie]

It certainly was youth. But I'm not twitching yet until we see what happens in Batley & Spen.

Any little twitches now serious? Keir Starmer has claimed that "Labour is back", but I'm far from convinced. I think this was a particularly nasty by-election fought on hatred and division, and I'm hoping it's a victory for right over wrong rather than left over right. It does however add some weight to the theory that the Tories are slowly but surely being rumbled, and if that's the case I'll see it as a double victory.

[jackal2]

Keir Starmer has claimed that "Labour is back", but I'm far from convinced.

I should imagine even Starmer himself is far from convinced, despite his best efforts to use today's "shock" win to paper over the cracks. Labour hung on by the tightest of margins and I'm sure he's aware that without the actions of Prat Hancock he probably would have lost and would now be under even more pressure from the hard left than he is already. At some point he will have to commit himself to some actual policies, and the reason he's been stalling for so long is that he knows he'll upset one side of the party or the other - or both - whether he leans right, centre or left.

[Elite_Pie]

Labour hung on by the tightest of margins and I'm sure he's aware that without the actions of Prat Hancock.

But saying "without the actions of Prat Hancock he probably would have lost" is completely missing the point. It liars and cheats like Hancock that should be turning people away from the Tories in droves. I wouldn't encourage anyone to vote Labour because they are indeed a party in crisis, but that doesn't mean we should just blindly accept the bunch of corrupt incompetents currently in charge.

[Borg elite]

There's no fool like an old fool....son.