O/T DDay for Brexit..well sort of...

[ragingpup]

So it comes down to who 'caused' the hard border? How exactly does that work or matter?

Of course it is our choice to leave. The UK electorate voted to do so and their position was put into effect by the UK Parliament.

Both the EU and UK claim to want to avoid a hard border. With Parliament making it very clear that the May deal will not pass with the current backstop arrangement in it there will either be a compromise or there won't be. The fact that failing to compromise leads immediately to the outcome that everyone says they don't want must surely act as an incentive to come to a mutually acceptable arrangement. If it doesn't then we are truly where Roly fears.

It comes down to the fact that the EU tried to avoid it. If it goes up, it goes up due to our actions, to suggest a vote, to have the vote. All our actions, not the EU. It matters as the UK is responsible for it. Therefore, the EU won't budge.

[Stovicmiller]

We don't want and won't install a hard border and neither will the Irish. Its the EU insisting on a hard border. If we and the Irish won't do it how will the EU make us?

[ragingpup]

We don't want and won't install a hard border and neither will the Irish. Its the EU insisting on a hard border. If we and the Irish won't do it how will the EU make us?

I believe the the either the EU will enforce it with the Irish as it will become an EU customs check area. How else can you check goods coming in and out of the EU are of the border? The EU wanted to avoid it but we wouldn't run with it. I'm less sure, but the WTO may also insist on it will become an end point of their zone also.

Just a thought for the immigrant focused voters - if somehow a soft border was achieved, how will you stop car loads of immigrants driving through Ireland and across the Irish Sea?

[mellowmiller]

I believe the the either the EU will enforce it with the Irish as it will become an EU customs check area. How else can you check goods coming in and out of the EU are of the border? The EU wanted to avoid it but we wouldn't run with it. I'm less sure, but the WTO may also insist on it will become an end point of their zone also.

Just a thought for the immigrant focused voters - if somehow a soft border was achieved, how will you stop car loads of immigrants driving through Ireland and across the Irish Sea?

The cars would sink once they got into the Irish Sea. Problem solved 😉

[Timbertop]

Let's get the hell out of it now with NO Deal. This is the opinion of most people I know,some of whom previously were remainers. Despite project fear this country will survive and prosper away from the money grabbing clutches of the corrupt EU.

[great_fire]

Let's get the hell out of it now with NO Deal. This is the opinion of most people I know,some of whom previously were remainers. Despite project fear this country will survive and prosper away from the money grabbing clutches of the corrupt EU.

Their lack of flexibility both before and after the referendum show exactly why their share of world trade is falling.

[rolymiller]

Not against us coming out of the EU but how can you be sure we will survive and prosper? Could we be jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire? Better the devil you know and all that! Personally, I won't be happy till someone convinces me that there is concrete evidence there will be life after the EU. Nothings persuaded me there will be yet.

[great_fire]

Not against us coming out of the EU but how can you be sure we will survive and prosper? Could we be jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire? Better the devil you know and all that! Personally, I won't be happy till someone convinces me that there is concrete evidence there will be life after the EU. Nothings persuaded me there will be yet.

I think you're guilty of short-term thinking, much like our "here today, gone tomorrow" politicians.

[Timbertop]

Can somebody explain to me why,if we are retaining membership of the CTC (Common Transit Convention), transit of goods should be a problem with a hard Brexit ? Doesn't it mean traders only make customs declarations and pay import duties only when goods arrive at their final destination ?

[frogmiller]

It looks like the UK is going to place the EU into a panic move by leaving them little options. This is a great drama with politics at it's very best and worst in action.