O/T:- Trump Presidency 2.0 [hic sunt dracones]

[Jampie]

The video I posted shows claims by many American politicians, including Joe Biden, saying they wanted to put an end to the pipeline. I will leave you to decipher for yourself the obvious motivations behind their own claims. Seymour Hersh also wrote an article detailing how it was done that I am sure you have read.

Nope, haven't read the article by Freegore Slarsh or whoever. Is there evidence in it?

The pipeline was shut down. What would the US gain from destroying a shut down pipeline? You have never answered this rather fundamental question.

You want me to believe... politicians now? No, wait, down below you say I shouldn't... so only when they agree with the kremlin narrative?

These statements the pollies made about the pipeline, what was the context? Were they made before the war? Was it about worrying that germany was too reliant on Russian gas? Those concerns were borne out weren't they...

And I did not say everything the BBC say is fabricated. I said that I do not trust any of it at face value, with the exceptions I already noted. When someone is proven to be a contemptuous liar, as you have admitted you believe the media and politicians are, then even if you claim to trust them to tell the truth roughly 80% of the time, how can you know which of their claims fall under the 80% and which fall under the 20%? It is only logical to be sceptical of 100% of it. That does not mean that 100% is fabricated, it means that 100% is subject to possible doubt.

That's a relief, you sound marginally saner to me when you say that. A minute ago we were living in a matrix though. That was disconcerting.

To answer your question, like you (paragraph above you, not Neo-Andy), I read an article and compare it with my knowledge of the world, other sources, the context, and the possible motivations of the authors, editors etc. Like most adults I guess. An article, no matter who writes it, is just a datapoint to me. More datapoints means a clearer picture. But yeah, generally a BBC datapoint is a hell of a lot stronger than a murdoch press one or a corpo-owned news one or some random video by some random guy. But no source is infallible.

Or, like Swale, you can throw logic out the window and believe whatever narratives your masters tell you in full confidence that you could never be fooled. As Samuel Clemens famously said, it is easier to fool people than convince them they have been fooled!

Who are my masters? What are you talking about? Are we back in the matrix now?

[HeroPie1862]

The best way to get news is to read reuters or AP, then make your own choice.

Branded news will always have an agenda, and biased thinking will then lead itself to confirmation bias so you either read news from both sides of the spectrum or read neutral news.

Edit: This requires you to have critical thinking skills and not wanting to be spoon fed.

[MarcusCole]

The best way to get news is to read reuters or AP, then make your own choice.

Branded news will always have an agenda, and biased thinking will then lead itself to confirmation bias so you either read news from both sides of the spectrum or read neutral news.

Edit: This requires you to have critical thinking skills and not wanting to be spoon fed.

Agree with this but even those two have slipped up on occasion but they are far better than most. The left wing media lie about things just as does the right.

[andy6025]

Nope, haven't read the article by Freegore Slarsh or whoever. Is there evidence in it?

The pipeline was shut down. What would the US gain from destroying a shut down pipeline? You have never answered this rather fundamental question.

You want me to believe... politicians now? No, wait, down below you say I shouldn't... so only when they agree with the kremlin narrative?

These statements the pollies made about the pipeline, what was the context? Were they made before the war? Was it about worrying that germany was too reliant on Russian gas? Those concerns were borne out weren't they...



That's a relief, you sound marginally saner to me when you say that. A minute ago we were living in a matrix though. That was disconcerting.

To answer your question, like you (paragraph above you, not Neo-Andy), I read an article and compare it with my knowledge of the world, other sources, the context, and the possible motivations of the authors, editors etc. Like most adults I guess. An article, no matter who writes it, is just a datapoint to me. More datapoints means a clearer picture. But yeah, generally a BBC datapoint is a hell of a lot stronger than a murdoch press one or a corpo-owned news one or some random video by some random guy. But no source is infallible.



Who are my masters? What are you talking about? Are we back in the matrix now?

We never left the Matrix. As Rene Descartes proved to us, I think therefore I am is still the only indubitable truth in which one can hold absolute certainty.

As for the pipeline, if you never even heard of Seymour Hersh or read his exposay (intentionally misspelled to try and avoid this sites formatting errors) on the pipeline bombings, then I am afraid you are woefully short on datapoints. As I mentioned before and as is exemplified by the short video, all of your talking heads are singing from the same hymn book, and they will not let anyone with a dissenting view anywhere near the mainstream airwaves. You think you have many data points, but it is merely an echo of a single one. I would further go out on a limb and guess that you likewise have not read or watched any supposed Kremlin sources for comparison. As such, all these claims of comparing and contrasting various sources like an adult is nothing but wishful lip service to an abstract set of principles that are jettisoned speedy quick before you ever entered the debate.

[Jampie]

We never left the Matrix. As Rene Descartes proved to us, I think therefore I am is still the only indubitable truth in which one can hold absolute certainty.

As for the pipeline, if you never even heard of Seymour Hersh or read his exposay (intentionally misspelled to try and avoid this sites formatting errors) on the pipeline bombings, then I am afraid you are woefully short on datapoints. As I mentioned before and as is exemplified by the short video, all of your talking heads are singing from the same hymn book, and they will not let anyone with a dissenting view anywhere near the mainstream airwaves. You think you have many data points, but it is merely an echo of a single one. I would further go out on a limb and guess that you likewise have not read or watched any supposed Kremlin sources for comparison. As such, all these claims of comparing and contrasting various sources like an adult is nothing but wishful lip service to an abstract set of principles that are jettisoned speedy quick before you ever entered the debate.

Can you list three things you disagree with Putin about?

It's *hilarious* you're accusing me of not having enough viewpoints. You! I don't pay attention to crackpots, fools, conspiracy theorists (who provide zero evidence) or people who repeat whatever russian foreign ops want them to. That leaves a LOT of valid sources for stuff, most of which aren't mainstream news.

[andy6025]

Can you list three things you disagree with Putin about?

It's *hilarious* you're accusing me of not having enough viewpoints. You! I don't pay attention to crackpots, fools, conspiracy theorists (who provide zero evidence) or people who repeat whatever russian foreign ops want them to. That leaves a LOT of valid sources for stuff, most of which aren't mainstream news.

Here you go, here?s 5 things:

His raising of the retirement age
His embracing of the ROC.
His overly anti-LGBTQ position - it goes too far imo.
His anti-communist position
He is too soft on the west and tried for far too long to be conciliatory. The last was a massive blunder for which his people may never forgive him.

[andy6025]

Then you'd be wrong on pretty much all counts. Assumption is rarely a smart strategy Andy.

Ah yes, Swale reads Russian news. Spin me another.

[SwalePie]

Ah yes, Swale reads Russian news. Spin me another.

You'd be amazed Andy!

[Med Pie]

Not sure what kind of message, pardoning multi million dollar fraudsters sends!

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c78713qn26yo

[andy6025]

I said a while back that Donald Trump?s bullsh*tery over invading Canada and Greenland was all a ruse to get us to buy shi*t tons of weapons, and that not only would we fall for it, but we?d all cheer our Down syndrome little brains out over it.

Well, it so happens that I was right yet again.

Not only can we absolutely not afford this, but we have so many other spending priorities at the moment - our infrastructure is crumbling, the east has long beaten us hands down when it comes to high speed transportation and telecommunications, homelessness and lack of housing (not just affordable housing) means that no young or even middle aged people can dream of even buying something as simple as a home if they do not already have one. Jobless rates are increasing fast, and the cost of food is astronomical. And there so many other problems that also desperately need addressing.

And yet I bet you all cannot wait to blow our wads on useless piles of junk.

THIS is exactly what happens when our politicians are all from the uniparty, and our media choruses the same positions across all fronts without allowing any dissenting viewpoints anywhere near the airwaves. People become mind numbingly stupid and cannot fathom a better way. They lose all choice because they cannot even dream that they have one.