Election Year or Fear!

[swaledale]

So we get a picture of who has been spreading deliberate disinformation across social media, mostly comfortably off, middle class types who are nowhere near the action.

We get a picture of whose being convicted for taking part, the sort of people that some on hear would castigate for living a life on benefits whilst working cash in hand. Some fools who saw what was happening on social media and travelled miles to join in cos they thought it would be a riot (which it was).

Some thugs in football shirts who many of us have seen at football matches causing trouble, no more concerned protesters than they are football fans.

Many from areas where the proportion of immigrants living there is very low, so can hardly blame the lack of housing, problems seeing a DR, of NHS waiting lists etc. on immigration, though of course they do. Aided and abetted of course by a Tory government that blames immigrants and Asylum seekers to distract the thick from the fact that it has been their deliberate neglect and mismanagement that has led to services being oversubscribed and poor.

Ignorant idiots like our resident spreader of conspiracy theories and fake news who don't seem to question how the life styles of people like Farage etc. who incite this behaviour by their deliberately ill chosen words are funded.

Funny how they never riot and attack the Police when its a Police officer who commits heinous crimes against women, or when a white man commits multiple murders of women or children isn't it?

The simple fact is this - most people who call themselves working class aren't racist and aren't bigoted, in the same way most football fans aren't mindless hooligans - indeed it was found that the instigators of football hooliganism were in fact people with professional jobs.

That the race or ethnicity of a person who commits atrocities like this is generally irrelevant, however their mental state and other factors are. There is of course an exception for terrorists, but there has been no shortage of white people committing terrorist atrocities in both the distant and recent past, so race is no indication of a tendency to commit violent acts.

So what exactly is the reason that certain billionaires and some politicians are deliberately infecting peoples minds with the immigrant issue?

Why is our resident idiot so obsessed with a variety of conspiracy theories from immigration to the EU and repeats them, refusing to accept, even when shown clearly to be wrong? I mean he pops over to Thailand on a regular basis, presumably to get a new girlfriend when the existing one leaves him after finding out what a racist **** he is. So is clearly not one of life's down trodden poor.

Yes there are clear issues of inequality, deprivation, lack of educational attainment, lack of investment in jobs, deindustrialisation that require addressing. Very few of those instigating these riots have any interest in resolving these issues.

Immigration is not the main cause of these issues as is obvious to any person capable of rational thought.

[MadAmster]

Swale, when you mentioned Farage and the source(s) of his funding you appear to have forgotten to wonder where Tommy Ten Names gets his funding.

We know he's currently in Cyprus staying in a €400 a night hotel. How is he funding that? There are those around who believe it's the right wing billionaires...

There were also reports, and I don't know if they are true or false, that he's up in Court again and decided to do a runner to France, where he asked for asylum. I fully admit I have no idea of how true this is, apart that is from his being up before the beak again, but it did make me laugh.

[swaledale]

Swale, when you mentioned Farage and the source(s) of his funding you appear to have forgotten to wonder where Tommy Ten Names gets his funding.

We know he's currently in Cyprus staying in a €400 a night hotel. How is he funding that? There are those around who believe it's the right wing billionaires...

There were also reports, and I don't know if they are true or false, that he's up in Court again and decided to do a runner to France, where he asked for asylum. I fully admit I have no idea of how true this is, apart that is from his being up before the beak again, but it did make me laugh.

I was referring to all who are doing the **** stirring, Farage was merely an example. Indeed who funds the Yaxley-Lennon's, the Hopkins et al of the UK? For what reason? It is true that certain billionaires fund not only these people, but also the very specific media such as GBNews and talk TV, that have a very specific agenda, which is to pump false messages repeatedly to the gullible.

As I see it you have;

The funders, those billionaires including it seems Musk, who espouse a world where the richest are in total control.

The rabble rousers people like Farage who are paid to push the false message repeatedly and spread sometimes subtly, sometimes not so subtly until more and more people accept lies as truth. I believe it was Goebbels, Hitlers propaganda chief who said and I paraphrase "The more a lie is repeated, the more it becomes accepted as the truth"

The enablers, being those social media and media companies - lie X or Fox News GBNews who permit proven falsehoods to be broadcast widely. There is free speech and a free media, until such times as it becomes false and dangerous propaganda.

The "quiet" supporters, these are people who either swallow the rubbish being pumped out without question and repeat it verbatim - the Thickys of this world, they are not lacking in the ability to actually think, but for whatever reason latch on to conspiracy theories and anything that supports their POV, whilst not questioning its validity.

But there also those, and some are on this Forum who whilst not openly supporting the POV, say well yes the riots are bad, BUT they do have a point, or there is an issue here which rightly irritates people. Sometimes that irritation is as simple as seeing people from an ethnic minority back ground on TV and thinking it doesn't reflect the world in which they live. Or thinking that Asylum Seekers somehow threaten society and need to be stopped, without asking why this issue wasn't a particular problem before Brexit and the Tory government stopped processing applications in a timely manner.

Then there are the "actors" people who relish the idea of a good fight, riot or spot of looting, who don't really care what the "cause" is, they just look for an excuse for a bit of aggro.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Didn't you know the football was on, posting sprawling messages @ 09-38 pm? By the way, we lost 2-4

[Geoff Parkstone]

"Those who believe in Islam are not likely to be extremists any more than Catholics are likely to be *****philes…those who belong to the far right are."

So that's about 50% then 😀

But I believe your analogy is flawed. You are comparing entire religions on the one hand with a minority element of a political preference (eg "conservative").

If you wish to say members of the far right are terrorists you should compare to members of Isis being terrorists.

[ramAnag]

"Those who believe in Islam are not likely to be extremists any more than Catholics are likely to be *****philes…those who belong to the far right are."

So that's about 50% then 😀

But I believe your analogy is flawed. You are comparing entire religions on the one hand with a minority element of a political preference (eg "conservative").

If you wish to say members of the far right are terrorists you should compare to members of Isis being terrorists.

No it isn’t. That’s just made up nonsense from someone who knows better.

It wasn’t my comparison, it was YouGov’s…but I agree with your point…people generally fear ISIS, rather than Muslims, and the EDL etc rather than ‘conservatives’.

[Geoff Parkstone]

But in all honesty comparing a bunch of thugs and looters with terrorists is a bit of an insult to terrorists. Those who Planned 9-11 have greater intellectual prowess

[Andy_Faber]

I was referring to all who are doing the **** stirring, Farage was merely an example. Indeed who funds the Yaxley-Lennon's, the Hopkins et al of the UK? For what reason? It is true that certain billionaires fund not only these people, but also the very specific media such as GBNews and talk TV, that have a very specific agenda, which is to pump false messages repeatedly to the gullible.

As I see it you have;

The funders, those billionaires including it seems Musk, who espouse a world where the richest are in total control.

The rabble rousers people like Farage who are paid to push the false message repeatedly and spread sometimes subtly, sometimes not so subtly until more and more people accept lies as truth. I believe it was Goebbels, Hitlers propaganda chief who said and I paraphrase "The more a lie is repeated, the more it becomes accepted as the truth"

The enablers, being those social media and media companies - lie X or Fox News GBNews who permit proven falsehoods to be broadcast widely. There is free speech and a free media, until such times as it becomes false and dangerous propaganda.

The "quiet" supporters, these are people who either swallow the rubbish being pumped out without question and repeat it verbatim - the Thickys of this world, they are not lacking in the ability to actually think, but for whatever reason latch on to conspiracy theories and anything that supports their POV, whilst not questioning its validity.

But there also those, and some are on this Forum who whilst not openly supporting the POV, say well yes the riots are bad, BUT they do have a point, or there is an issue here which rightly irritates people. Sometimes that irritation is as simple as seeing people from an ethnic minority back ground on TV and thinking it doesn't reflect the world in which they live. Or thinking that Asylum Seekers somehow threaten society and need to be stopped, without asking why this issue wasn't a particular problem before Brexit and the Tory government stopped processing applications in a timely manner.

Then there are the "actors" people who relish the idea of a good fight, riot or spot of looting, who don't really care what the "cause" is, they just look for an excuse for a bit of aggro.

….and your point is?

[Andy_Faber]

Didn't you know the football was on, posting sprawling messages @ 09-38 pm? By the way, we lost 2-4

I noticed that too, the guy’s desperate

[swaledale]

I noticed that too, the guy’s desperate

Oh dear is our resident closet racist upset? Me desperate? Nah just educating the gammons, its my duty to inform the ignorant and biased.