O/T The meaningful vote.

[Exiletyke]

If we had another referendum [or peoples vote as it is laughingly called] & the result was still to leave what would we then do, as the same issues would still confront us or are you assuming the result would be to remain [assuming you would want remain on the ballot paper
When will you realise that we have voted already
You make reference to ill informed comments on this forum please advise what they are & then enlighten us all what we should know,otherwise it leaves us all uncertain what you mean

[KINDERSCOUT]

If we had another referendum [or peoples vote as it is laughingly called] & the result was still to leave what would we then do, as the same issues would still confront us or are you assuming the result would be to remain [assuming you would want remain on the ballot paper
When will you realise that we have voted already
You make reference to ill informed comments on this forum please advise what they are & then enlighten us all what we should know,otherwise it leaves us all uncertain what you mean

An earlier contributor claimed that the disparity in wealth in different areas of the UK was caused by the EU. This is not correct of course the UK government decides where to invest in the UK. For example London receives £i200 per head of the population for transport infrastructure from central government while South Yorkshire is granted £250 per head of population. It is also the case London Transport was not forced to privatise the system like every other authority was instructed to do so. Thats why London has an excellent bus service while our system is a disgrace.

[Exiletyke]

An earlier contributor claimed that the disparity in wealth in different areas of the UK was caused by the EU. This is not correct of course the UK government decides where to invest in the UK. For example London receives £i200 per head of the population for transport infrastructure from central government while South Yorkshire is granted £250 per head of population. It is also the case London Transport was not forced to privatise the system like every other authority was instructed to do so. Thats why London has an excellent bus service while our system is a disgrace.

EU grants are supposed to help the regions in need [well perhaps not]

Farmers however don't seem to do too bad do they & we still can't feed ouselves not by a long way

https://fullfact.org/europe/how-much...ve-eu-funding/

[KerrAvon]

EU grants are supposed to help the regions in need [well perhaps not]

Farmers however don't seem to do too bad do they & we still can't feed ouselves not by a long way

https://fullfact.org/europe/how-much...ve-eu-funding/

The European Regional Development Fund assists regions in need.

Agriculture has received government support since long before we joined the EU. It's necessary because the price of agricultural produce is so variable, which creates the risk that may farms would go bust during bad trading years. As the CAP favoured countries with large agricultural industries than the UK, Thatcher negotiated for and secured a rebate on our EU contributions.

Unsurprisingly, continuing domestic food production is seen as a strategic necessity. In the UK support used to be provided through 'Intervention Boards', I have little doubt support will continue into a post Brexit future (assuming Parliament doesn't succeed in preventing it).

[SBRed48]

The European Regional Development Fund assists regions in need.

Agriculture has received government support since long before we joined the EU. It's necessary because the price of agricultural produce is so variable, which creates the risk that may farms would go bust during bad trading years. As the CAP favoured countries with large agricultural industries than the UK, Thatcher negotiated for and secured a rebate on our EU contributions.

Unsurprisingly, continuing domestic food production is seen as a strategic necessity. In the UK support used to be provided through 'Intervention Boards', I have little doubt support will continue into a post Brexit future (assuming Parliament doesn't succeed in preventing it).

We are a large contributor to the European Regional Fund from our taxes.
Having given them the money the EU bureaucrats decide where it should be spent, in which country and where and for what scheme. I haven't the numbers to hand but I am willing to guess we pay out more than we get back. Would the "North" benefit more if we just kept the taxes generated and spent them directly on our transport and regeneration ?

[SBRed48]

An earlier contributor claimed that the disparity in wealth in different areas of the UK was caused by the EU. This is not correct of course the UK government decides where to invest in the UK. For example London receives £i200 per head of the population for transport infrastructure from central government while South Yorkshire is granted £250 per head of population. It is also the case London Transport was not forced to privatise the system like every other authority was instructed to do so. Thats why London has an excellent bus service while our system is a disgrace.

I refer the Right Honorable Gentleman to my earlier answer on this thread to that question.

[KerrAvon]

An earlier contributor claimed that the disparity in wealth in different areas of the UK was caused by the EU. This is not correct of course the UK government decides where to invest in the UK. For example London receives £i200 per head of the population for transport infrastructure from central government while South Yorkshire is granted £250 per head of population. It is also the case London Transport was not forced to privatise the system like every other authority was instructed to do so. Thats why London has an excellent bus service while our system is a disgrace.

London has a huge and high density population. It needs a large and integrated transport system to function. What's more, the diffiiculty and expense of travelling by car in London means that enough people use public transport to make it viable.

That being said, I think the abandonment in all but name of Osborne’s 'Norther Powerhouse' concept was a retrograde step.

[animallittle3]

Parliament appears to be in deadlock. I can only see three ways out of this mess. revoke article 50 and remain, wait for the Tories to produce another inadequate deal which will get through Parliament and the right wing loons in the Tory partry can live with or have another referendum. In my opinion another referendum would benefit from having a more informed electorate involved. At the time of the first referendum my knowledge of how the EU fitted in working with a group of sovereign countries was limited. I was happy with some aspects of EU legislation such as the Human Rights Act. the protection of workers rights, environmental legislation which stopped us pumping raw sewage into the sea ( I really miss the french letters and sanitary towels which littered our beaches) the foreign policy which kept them out of Iraq and not being US lap dogs and best of all enableing 27 nations in Europe to live in peace following years of intermittent war. Thirty months ago when we had the referendum there was a long campaign during which I expected to learn a great deal from the politicians regarding the interaction between sovereign states and the EU. What I got was a childish campaign based on one side on fear and on the other silly lies. The parties were egged on by a largely right wing press supported by illeagal activities by extremely wealthy men trying to influence the outcome. Judging by some of the ill informed comments on this forum about the EU we are still lacking basic information and hold weird beliefs about the ability of the EU to be involved in sovereign state politics. In my opinion if we had another referendum hopefully we would have a much better informed electorate following two and a half years of politicking providing the campaign is suitable for grown ups. That should enable us to feel more comfortable with the result whatever that is. Then we can get on with our lives.

In other words so you can win this time .

As Yorkshireborn's pointed out there should be only two outcomes on any peoples vote .

May's Deal

No deal

[upthecolliers]

In other words so you can win this time .

As Yorkshireborn's pointed out there should be only two outcomes on any peoples vote .

May's Deal

No deal

Fu****G hell Animal are you really seriouse.
Now he cant be resind that last minuet.

[KINDERSCOUT]

In other words so you can win this time .

As Yorkshireborn's pointed out there should be only two outcomes on any peoples vote .

May's Deal

No deal

No its not so I can win this time but it would allow us to all make an informed decision following more than two years of discussion. The decision is too important for future decades to be made based on only a limited amount of information with a simple in or out question.