Nicoliar calls

[Returnofrros]

all lies, why?

Lowest vaccinated, most cases per head, toughest restrictions in Britain.

****ing own it, you vote for it.😎

[grantzer]

Means nothing with respect. That's not Scotland and the numbers do not compare with the five year rolling average that's showing a significant increase in this country last year.

What are the figures of 11, 13 and 14? Is this numbers per 100,000? I can see the following from the ONS mind - doesn't suggest an increase in Engurlandshire but also gives a reason why the figures might be low in Q2 (interesting) and why they might be significantly higher in Q3 -

'Provisional data show there were 10.7 suicide deaths per 100,000 people in Quarter 3 (July to Sept) 2020 in England, equivalent to 1,334 deaths registered; this rate is similar to rates seen in the third quarter of previous years.

In the provisional Quarter 3 2020 data, there were 16.3 deaths per 100,000 males (992 deaths registered) and 5.4 suicide deaths per 100,000 females (342 deaths registered); these rates are similar to rates observed in the same quarter in previous years.

Whilst the provisional rates observed in Quarter 3 2020 for men and women are statistically significantly higher compared with Quarter 2 (Apr to June) 2020, this is because of the lower number of suicides registered in Quarter 2 that have subsequently been registered in Quarter 3.

The lower number of suicides registered in Quarter 2 2020 is likely to be caused by the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic having an impact on the coroner's service resulting in delays to inquests.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...evious%20years.

The small numbers refer to references,and the article collates data from a lot of countries. It would be reasonable to assume that if suicide rates had not gone up in 20 prosperous countries,Scotland is likely to follow that trend. If not,it is also reasonable to assume that the number Eason for that would be non covid related

[Returnofrros]

Couple of weeks since hospitality opened......where's the mass increases in cases?

Where's the UK govt money the SNP have symphoned off?

Nowhere to be seen.

[Deeranged]

All the claims of the SNP letting Thatcher in are complete nonsense – Thatcher was going to get in within six months regardless as the minority Labour government had been struggling for some time, a general election was inevitable and Labour were always getting trampled on by the Conservatives. It was the anti-devolution Labour MPs, who undermined their own government and prevented the majority Scottish opinion from prevailing, that caused the SNP to turn against Labour. And the SNP was quite right to turn against Labour at that point in my opinion and that's even considering in hindsight the ultimate evil and anti Scottish / pro SE England policies of Thatcherism.

Remember Scotland had just been shafted by the Labour government when a 40% rule appeared from nowhere to deny the wish of the Scottish people at the time when a clear majority 'YES' vote for devolution was cast. What were they going to do? 51.6% of the votes were for devolution but it counted for nothing - completely undemocratic but then we are talking about the English so maybe not a total surprise.

Two Ulster Unionist MPs voted with the 1979 vote of no confidence, did the Ulster Unionist Party also 'cause' the downfall of the Labour government and therefore Thatcher to be elected? Or doesn't that fit the agenda?

People love to re-write history though and they just love to post up rubbish on forums in the hope that people will just accept it as truth - and the more gullible reader usually just agrees with it.

[BCram]

All the claims of the SNP letting Thatcher in are complete nonsense – Thatcher was going to get in within six months regardless as the minority Labour government had been struggling for some time, a general election was inevitable and Labour were always getting trampled on by the Conservatives. It was the anti-devolution Labour MPs, who undermined their own government and prevented the majority Scottish opinion from prevailing, that caused the SNP to turn against Labour. And the SNP was quite right to turn against Labour at that point in my opinion and that's even considering in hindsight the ultimate evil and anti Scottish / pro SE England policies of Thatcherism.

Remember Scotland had just been shafted by the Labour government when a 40% rule appeared from nowhere to deny the wish of the Scottish people at the time when a clear majority 'YES' vote for devolution was cast. What were they going to do? 51.6% of the votes were for devolution but it counted for nothing - completely undemocratic but then we are talking about the English so maybe not a total surprise.

Two Ulster Unionist MPs voted with the 1979 vote of no confidence, did the Ulster Unionist Party also 'cause' the downfall of the Labour government and therefore Thatcher to be elected? Or doesn't that fit the agenda?

People love to re-write history though and they just love to post up rubbish on forums in the hope that people will just accept it as truth - and the more gullible reader usually just agrees with it.

That's the point of being a Unionist yes, they helped the Conservatives but as you explained it was the SNP who turned against Labour. The other parties had been voting against Labour as part of the opposition. The SNP changed their support and the rest is history.

You may not like to recall your Tartan Tory roots but it seems obvious that they were getting Tory protest votes against the long years of Labour rule in Scotland under Gordon Wilson. It was a shrewd move by the SNP and undermined the Tory Party in Scotland.

[Deeranged]

That's the point of being a Unionist yes, they helped the Conservatives but as you explained it was the SNP who turned against Labour. The other parties had been voting against Labour as part of the opposition. The SNP changed their support and the rest is history.

You may not like to recall your Tartan Tory roots but it seems obvious that they were getting Tory protest votes against the long years of Labour rule in Scotland under Gordon Wilson. It was a shrewd move by the SNP and undermined the Tory Party in Scotland.

My main argument is that turning against one party isn't necessarily supporting the other. Yes, they helped bring down Labour but having been treated the way they had been by Labour It's no surprise they did what they did.

[BCram]

[QUOTE=Deeranged;39773674]My main argument is that turning against one party isn't necessarily supporting the other. Yes, they helped bring down Labour but having been treated the way they had been by Labour It's no surprise they did what did.

It is the way that the SNP operate though. They pillory Labour and the Lib Democrats at every opportunity for being on the same side of any argument as the Conservatives. Labour and the others oppose Conservative policies all the time but the SNP would have you believe they represent the same political ideas. It is quite depressing how everything comes down to independence.

[noahrab]

That's the point of being a Unionist yes, they helped the Conservatives but as you explained it was the SNP who turned against Labour. The other parties had been voting against Labour as part of the opposition. The SNP changed their support and the rest is history.

You may not like to recall your Tartan Tory roots but it seems obvious that they were getting Tory protest votes against the long years of Labour rule in Scotland under Gordon Wilson. It was a shrewd move by the SNP and undermined the Tory Party in Scotland.

The Nationalists have been trying to airbrush that vote away for years.

Still trying I see.

[jdfc]

All the claims of the SNP letting Thatcher in are complete nonsense – Thatcher was going to get in within six months regardless as the minority Labour government had been struggling for some time, a general election was inevitable and Labour were always getting trampled on by the Conservatives. It was the anti-devolution Labour MPs, who undermined their own government and prevented the majority Scottish opinion from prevailing, that caused the SNP to turn against Labour. And the SNP was quite right to turn against Labour at that point in my opinion and that's even considering in hindsight the ultimate evil and anti Scottish / pro SE England policies of Thatcherism.

Remember Scotland had just been shafted by the Labour government when a 40% rule appeared from nowhere to deny the wish of the Scottish people at the time when a clear majority 'YES' vote for devolution was cast. What were they going to do? 51.6% of the votes were for devolution but it counted for nothing - completely undemocratic but then we are talking about the English so maybe not a total surprise.

Two Ulster Unionist MPs voted with the 1979 vote of no confidence, did the Ulster Unionist Party also 'cause' the downfall of the Labour government and therefore Thatcher to be elected? Or doesn't that fit the agenda?

People love to re-write history though and they just love to post up rubbish on forums in the hope that people will just accept it as truth - and the more gullible reader usually just agrees with it.

Simple question, did the SNP side with the Tories ? Yes, and we also need to remember they were derived from Scottish Tories

[Deeranged]

Simple question, did the SNP side with the Tories ? Yes, and we also need to remember they were derived from Scottish Tories

No, they didn't side with the Tories. They voted no confidence in a Labour minority government that was on its knees; the same Labour government that had shafted them earlier that year.

That vote was not a vote for one party or another it was a vote of no confidence in the incumbent government. A massive, massive difference.

Not really interested in where the SNP were derived from. We're all derived from apes but we consider ourselves to be a bit different in evolutionary terms from apes do we not?