Knee taking … now only occasionally for prem league

[John2]

The general population of the internet. "Most people"

There are cesspit versions of Twitter/reddit etc that are much more niche and do not appeal to the "wider internet".

[Shark27]

The general population of the internet. "Most people"

There are cesspit versions of Twitter/reddit etc that are much more niche and do not appeal to the "wider internet".

I was under the impression that people are using twitter as a cesspit though? If they aren’t then fine, there’s not a problem then is there?

We know that most people aren’t racist or certainly don’t go around saying racist insults. It’s the minority that cause the problem. I was thinking this is the problem on twitter and was looking for a solution to stop it happening.

If that means boycotting a website or stopping a football game then so be it. I don’t think it’s a problem with society overall though as it’s a small minority of people that we are trying to stop.

[ragingpup]

Sorry but they are not achievements IMHO

What are they then??!

[Slimchance]

What are they then??!

#56

[ragingpup]

#56

I know the list - I wrote post #56!

I wrote:

1. Creating a stronger awareness in the sporting public about racist abuse and actions experienced by black and other minority group players
2. Creating a stronger sense of community and support among those experiencing discrimination and their colleagues in the changing rooms and workplaces that hear of the experiences of colleagues and support
3. Creating a stronger sense of empowerment amongst those groups experiencing prejudice
4. Providing a forum/media platform for individual role models to share their life experiences (as done by Adama Traore today in response to the knee developments
5. It encourages other minority groups to relate their own lives to the experiences of the black and ethnic community in sport, raising the sense of not tolerating the abuse that black and ethnic players experience and how to come together in order to combat abuse

You said that these were not achievements, which is fair enough. I just asked why they aren't considered achievements in your opinion, as they look like that quite considerable achievements to me! And this was leaving out my #6 Raised the awareness of child sports fans of the importance of cultural inclusiveness in sports and society from their heroes and role models.

[Slimchance]

I know the list - I wrote post #56!

I wrote:

1. Creating a stronger awareness in the sporting public about racist abuse and actions experienced by black and other minority group players
2. Creating a stronger sense of community and support among those experiencing discrimination and their colleagues in the changing rooms and workplaces that hear of the experiences of colleagues and support
3. Creating a stronger sense of empowerment amongst those groups experiencing prejudice
4. Providing a forum/media platform for individual role models to share their life experiences (as done by Adama Traore today in response to the knee developments
5. It encourages other minority groups to relate their own lives to the experiences of the black and ethnic community in sport, raising the sense of not tolerating the abuse that black and ethnic players experience and how to come together in order to combat abuse

You said that these were not achievements, which is fair enough. I just asked why they aren't considered achievements in your opinion, as they look like that quite considerable achievements to me! And this was leaving out my #6 Raised the awareness of child sports fans of the importance of cultural inclusiveness in sports and society from their heroes and role models.

Collins English Dictionary achievement
1. something that has been accomplished by hard work,ability or heroism.
2. the condition of having been accomplished.

Your points above are talking points but not achievements.

An example would be, when we had a mass shooting we banned most guns. That was an achievement.
In America they have multiple mass shootings and are still talking about it. Not an achievement.

[John2]

Collins English Dictionary achievement
1. something that has been accomplished by hard work,ability or heroism.
2. the condition of having been accomplished.

Your points above are talking points but not achievements.

An example would be, when we had a mass shooting we banned most guns. That was an achievement.
In America they have multiple mass shootings and are still talking about it. Not an achievement.

Blimey, I thought I'd seen it all.

You've got confused about what opinions are. They're subjective things.

Dictionary definition Subjective
1. based on or influenced by personal feelings
"his views are highly subjective"

You can't use a dictionary to disprove someone's subjective opinions

[Brin]

I respect good black people, my family and myself have many black friends so I don’t say this lightly but enough is enough.

The point has been made with the ‘knee’ but I for one will no longer be applauding it at football games or elsewhere.

If you are a genuine nice human being you will go through life respecting your fellow human being whatever colour or ethnicity they may be.

Swansea City as a team have chosen this season not to take the knee, others should follow but, not forget to still show respect.

[ragingpup]

I respect good black people, my family and myself have many black friends so I don’t say this lightly but enough is enough.

The point has been made with the ‘knee’ but I for one will no longer be applauding it at football games or elsewhere.

If you are a genuine nice human being you will go through life respecting your fellow human being whatever colour or ethnicity they may be.

Swansea City as a team have chosen this season not to take the knee, others should follow but, not forget to still show respect.

Fair points Brin and can't argue with anyone choosing not to applaud the gesture at any point, nor any player/team not taking the knee. It should always have been an individual choice from all players and whilst I hear that some fans think players are co-erced into it, and that is always a concern, my own experience of working in a multi-cultural workplace, especially with the outpouring of rage following the Floyd murder, there has been much more open discussion of the actual life experiences of black people and I think their work place colleagues are consequently much more empathic and oppositional themselves to discrimination. Hence I think teams show their collective support as a team, not as individuals following their own changing room discussions.

Great that Swansea have decided against the knee, and as always, respect to whatever personal/team choices are made as all such actions shoulf be constantly kept under review, especially when they could indeed become counter productive. Hopefully new authentic ways of keeping the problem in the public ete will be sought as it is still a substantial problem in my opinion.

[great_fire]

That's not really football is it, being respectful to the away team?

Same with the away fans with the home team, "same old English, always cheating", wasn't that racist from the Swans fans?

Certainly not respectful.