Was LW overrated

[i961pie]

So because I come out with facts that disprove your view, my view is "pointless". The media rate him as the best coach, if he was seen as that in the wider footballing community, why hasn't he been moving a lot more? Granted Real Madrid wouldn't have him but PSG have the finance to get him yet haven't bothered, nobe of the Italian teams have, makes you think, or maybe it's because he isn't as good as people realise and his Bayern stint proved it

You need a bigger spade.

[i961pie]

So because I come out with facts that disprove your view, my view is "pointless". The media rate him as the best coach, if he was seen as that in the wider footballing community, why hasn't he been moving a lot more? Granted Real Madrid wouldn't have him but PSG have the finance to get him yet haven't bothered, nobe of the Italian teams have, makes you think, or maybe it's because he isn't as good as people realise and his Bayern stint proved it

Why does a manager have to move a lot to prove himself? Managers that have many clubs are usually sacked for failure. You quote facts but the only one you have come up with is he didn’t win the champions league with Bayern. Yet you ignore the real facts by making out all his record achievements are nothing. His record will stand the test of time and he is now dominating the most competitive league in the world.
Also it is not only the media that rate him as the best coach in the world it’s the likes of Xavi, Iniesta and his current players and people who have played the game.
If you go by your logic Mo Salah is overrated because he didn’t succeed at Chelsea.

[upthemaggies]

or maybe it's because he isn't as good as people realise and his Bayern stint proved it

Brian Clough failed at Leeds.
Sir Alf Ramsey failed at Birmingham City
Alex Ferguson failed to qualify with Scotland in a relatively weak WC finals group with 3rd place available and was also, as legend has it, one match from the sack at Man Utd.
Shankly went 6 seasons without winning a single trophy at Liverpool.
Wenger 8 trophyless seasons at Arsenal.
Even Sirrel failed at Sheff Utd.

Bob Paisley is just about the only manager I can think of who had a flawless record, but I imagine everybody would agree he owed his success to Shankly.

[ArabianNotts]

Brian Clough failed at Leeds.
Sir Alf Ramsey failed at Birmingham City
Alex Ferguson failed to qualify with Scotland in a relatively weak WC finals group with 3rd place available and was also, as legend has it, one match from the sack at Man Utd.
Shankly went 6 seasons without winning a single trophy at Liverpool.
Wenger 8 trophyless seasons at Arsenal.
Even Sirrel failed at Sheff Utd.

Bob Paisley is just about the only manager I can think of who had a flawless record, but I imagine everybody would agree he owed his success to Shankly.

Or perhaps Shankly owed his success to Paisley?

[upthemaggies]

Or perhaps Shankly owed his success to Paisley?

Not heard that suggested before but maybe Paisley doesn't get the credit he deserves, though I am struggling to see what he brought to the table other than some form of continuity, he didn't seem to have any charisma about him at all. Maybe less is more. IIRC Lawrenson's abiding memory of him seems to be after they lost at Brighton and BP made one single brief comment as they got on the bus after saying nothing in the dressing room, which made them all think. Souness tells how Paisley overruled the acting manager when Bob was ill, which led to Souness withdrawing a transfer request. Leeds players talk about Revie just standing in front of the mirror combing his hair to signal his disapproval.

[legs77]

Not heard that suggested before but maybe Paisley doesn't get the credit he deserves, though I am struggling to see what he brought to the table other than some form of continuity, he didn't seem to have any charisma about him at all. Maybe less is more. IIRC Lawrenson's abiding memory of him seems to be after they lost at Brighton and BP made one single brief comment as they got on the bus after saying nothing in the dressing room, which made them all think. Souness tells how Paisley overruled the acting manager when Bob was ill, which led to Souness withdrawing a transfer request. Leeds players talk about Revie just standing in front of the mirror combing his hair to signal his disapproval.

Paisley bought LOTS to the table at Liverpool possibly their greatest ever manager look at the leaders he had in the dressing room Souness, Hughes, Smith, Kenny not one of them has a bad word to say about him he was a tactical genius who also had the man management skills.

He was also a physio at one stage and told someone just by watching him walk and what the injury was it is in a book someone had written about him.

His famous saying was “Nobody gets old on LFC watch he can do it at another club”

Although the game is totally different now and as you say he was apparently a quiet man but he had the respect of the dressing room that goes along way too.

[magpie_mania]

Brian Clough failed at Leeds.
Sir Alf Ramsey failed at Birmingham City
Alex Ferguson failed to qualify with Scotland in a relatively weak WC finals group with 3rd place available and was also, as legend has it, one match from the sack at Man Utd.
Shankly went 6 seasons without winning a single trophy at Liverpool.
Wenger 8 trophyless seasons at Arsenal.
Even Sirrel failed at Sheff Utd.

Bob Paisley is just about the only manager I can think of who had a flawless record, but I imagine everybody would agree he owed his success to Shankly.

Bob Paisley was a brilliant manager and a gentleman. His gravestone in Liverpool sums him up so well: 'He remained an ordinary man amid extraordinary achievements'.

[BenFostersGloves]

So because I come out with facts that disprove your view, my view is "pointless". The media rate him as the best coach, if he was seen as that in the wider footballing community, why hasn't he been moving a lot more? Granted Real Madrid wouldn't have him but PSG have the finance to get him yet haven't bothered, nobe of the Italian teams have, makes you think, or maybe it's because he isn't as good as people realise and his Bayern stint proved it

This is a joke, right? Some Notts County fans in-the know joke that I'm not privy to?

[upthemaggies]

This is a joke, right? Some Notts County fans in-the know joke that I'm not privy to?

I'm assuming Man Utd is his 2nd team.

[i961pie]

This is a joke, right? Some Notts County fans in-the know joke that I'm not privy to?

Or think they are😂