Ot labour will get in

[Eternal Optimist]

You're offended by being linked to those you align to? That's an insult to you?

Not in the slightest.

Your comment says far more about you than it does me.

[howdydoo]

Lets keep this forum as it should be, no politics.

Good idea

I’d like to respond to this debate in two ways. Firstly in my normal voice and secondly, in a high pitched whine.

I want less destitution, more constitution and more
pros….perity.

I believe the children are our future
Teach them well and let them lead the way
Show them all the beauty they possess inside.
Give them a sense of pride to make it easier
Let the children's laughter remind us how we used to be.

Everybody searching for a hero
He's gotta be strong, and he's gotta be fast
And he's gotta be fresh from the fight
I need a hero
I'm holding out for a hero 'til the morning light
He's gotta be sure, and it's gotta be soon
And he's gotta be larger than life

That’s why I won’t be voting.

Make sure you turn up and spoil the ballot paper.

[UlleyMiller]

Not in the slightest.

Your comment says far more about you than it does me.

Because?

[Eternal Optimist]

Because?

I'll leave you to think about that one.

Just as you've left me to come up with examples of successful left wing economic policy in the absence of any evidence to back up your statement. Nothing found as yet...

[UlleyMiller]

By way of assistance:

Just as you've left me to come up with examples of successful left wing economic policy in the absence of any evidence to back up your statement. Nothing found as yet...

My 'statement':

Conversation about BBC bias...

That's laughable, have you watched Question Time, Have I got News for You and similar programs?

Receives the reply...

I missed the ones where they were hammering home points about the benefits of left wing economic policy... can you point me at those?

Obviously either didn't understand the context, or wanted to deliberately push an agenda item.

Similar logic fail:

Do you feel you're in a position to determine who's being reasonable and who isn't?

"You don't get to determine how dialogue and reasoning work... etc"

Although, also wants to determine rules of dialogue...

Your argument collapses once the insults start.

For clarity, the insult was to suggest viewership of GB News (defender of Farage, Laurence Fox, et al, conspiracy theories about 'MSM', etc). I've had worse insults today, and basically only worked from home. Even more bizarre, when asked if pointing at TV channel viewership was insulting...

Not in the slightest.

To quote the man himself:

Bit of a logic fail.

Thankfully, however...

I have an enquiring mind, and am happy to learn.

For my part, I'm a little more closed off. Once I've seen people delve into Farage apologism and 'MSM' theories, I struggle to take the rest seriously. So far, I've yet to see concerns around climate change denial, Enoch Powell endorsements, gay conversion therapy views, etc taken seriously once I encounter these mindsets, but see deflection to well-worn GB News gripes all too commonly.

Hand in the air, fully accept I have a problem with certain kinds of people. I'm a GBeebiist. A Richard-Tice-phobic of the highest order. And as long as people continue to defend and deflect for Reform, UKIP, BNP-Lite, or whatever else they're dressed as, I'll be here with my disapproving gaze, stubbornly resisting attempts to push the conversation onto small boats, straight bananas, or how net migration should be zero (as long as there are no follow-up questions).

[Eternal Optimist]

...Hand in the air, fully accept I have a problem with certain kinds of people...

Confessions such as this can be cathartic, so thank you for your honesty.

We're at polar opposite sides of the political spectrum so we're never going to agree, but I do wish you the very best. I'm with Beatrice Hall - "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it".

[UlleyMiller]

Confessions such as this can be cathartic, so thank you for your honesty.

We're at polar opposite sides of the political spectrum so we're never going to agree, but I do wish you the very best. I'm with Beatrice Hall - "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it".

Disapprove of my pointing at your flawed logic and endless deflecting.

Some genuinely scary people we allow the vote.

[Stansmate]

Does anyone really think Starmer and Angela R will sort the complete sheeite house we are in ?

Not goin to happen - the whole system needs changin - but cant see it bein on the cards

Like millions of others votes may just go tory due to little faith or trust in Labour - god theyre dull but security is not their priority and in todays bag of sheeite it should be

[ragingpup]

I'll leave you to think about that one.

Just as you've left me to come up with examples of successful left wing economic policy in the absence of any evidence to back up your statement. Nothing found as yet...

You keep going on about this ffs. Depending on your definition but left of centre economies with at least as much success as your beloved right of centre (in recent history) :

Denmark
Sweden
Finland
Canada
Norway
Netherlands
Germany
Ireland
New Zealand
England (post war) fits and starts!

And for a bit of fun, China although the work force there might disagree from their pov...

[Eternal Optimist]

...Depending on your definition but left of centre economies...

There's the problem. I wouldn't categorise any of your examples as 'proper' left, with the obvious exception of China.

It all depends on your starting point, but thanks for helping Ulley out as he's clearly struggling.