O/T - general election 2019

[ragingpup]

Astonished that some on here are claiming the photo to be faked. Every newspaper is reporting it as fact including the Mail, Express and The Sun. I can't find anyone reporting at as a hoax in the main papers. Don't you think that if the kid's Mum had taken her kid off his luxury NHS bed, laid him down on a few coats and clumsily dropped an IV bag/face mask next to him, the hospital would have shown the media his hospital bed number, records of entry and route to the bed, that the tory media would have gone hysterical at such a Momentum con, showing how low Corbyn (for he was doubtlessly behind it!) will go? So, the Hospital accepts it, the media accepts it and even Boris ****ing Johnson and the Conservative Party accept it.

Prob agree with Kerr, Johnson should have just looked at the photo, offered a genuine apology and given the phone back. I don't think the photo will have cost votes, we all know what happens in hospitals. But his response might cost a few. Only a few mind.

[CASPER-64-FRANK]

Astonished that some on here are claiming the photo to be faked. Every newspaper is reporting it as fact including the Mail, Express and The Sun. I can't find anyone reporting at as a hoax in the main papers. Don't you think that if the kid's Mum had taken her kid off his luxury NHS bed, laid him down on a few coats and clumsily dropped an IV bag/face mask next to him, the hospital would have shown the media his hospital bed number, records of entry and route to the bed, that the tory media would have gone hysterical at such a Momentum con, showing how low Corbyn (for he was doubtlessly behind it!) will go? So, the Hospital accepts it, the media accepts it and even Boris ****ing Johnson and the Conservative Party accept it.

Prob agree with Kerr, Johnson should have just looked at the photo, offered a genuine apology and given the phone back. I don't think the photo will have cost votes, we all know what happens in hospitals. But his response might cost a few. Only a few mind.

If the photo is faked then the parents need to be confronted and if the photo has been used without permission that also needs calling out.
It all comes down to what you are prepared to accept as truth on Social Media, we all know a small story morphs into something major by exaggeration.
The Sun retracted its headline of ' assault ' and changed it to ' accidental '
Kussenberg and Peston also retracted what they posted up and apologized.
Johnson for some inexplicable reason put the phone in his pocket.
Mountain out of a molehill for me.

Having used the NHS quite often I've nothing but praise for frontline staff in A&E,quite hectic at times, spent plenty of time waiting for a bed, never had to lay on the floor though.

[KerrAvon]

I'm not suggesting for a second that the photo was faked. I'm saying that we don't know the circumstances in which it was taken.

I gather that the parents are complaining that the photo was used without their permission. Nice.

[wendun]

I've finally decided. Not 100% happy but there you go. I've decided that for me (for me) a majority Tory government is unacceptable. I have studied the polls and a majority Corbyn govt is an impossibility. A minority Labour govt with Lib Dem and SNP support is possible and I'm quite happy for the Scots to have another Independence vote. My constituency is a Tory/Labour marginal so I'm voting tactically for Labour. If Johnson, Rees Mogg and a bunch of Tory right wingers take charge and I didn't vote to try and stop them I couldn't look at myself in the mirror. So Labour it is. I still expect a Tory majority.

[KerrAvon]

It's an interesting one, Wendun. I can't see the DUP propping up a minority Tory government whilst the Johnson deal is on the table and I don't think the Lib Dems will support a government led by Corbyn.

I think a hung Parliament will mean another GE in the New Year and the need for someone to ask an increasingly frustrated EU for a Brexit extension if we are to avoid a no deal exit by default.

[wendun]

It's an interesting one, Wendun. I can't see the DUP propping up a minority Tory government whilst the Johnson deal is on the table and I don't think the Lib Dems will support a government led by Corbyn.

I think a hung Parliament will mean another GE in the New Year and the need for someone to ask an increasingly frustrated EU for a Brexit extension if we are to avoid a no deal exit by default.

Kerr, I can't remember ever having been faced with such an unpalatable set of choices in a GE. I get a distinct feeling of fin de siecle; our politicians are fiddling while Rome - in the shape of the Environment, NHS, Education and Social care, the growing threat of Russia and China, social media and fake news spiralling out of control - burns. The political system seems no longer fit for purpose: vast issues require a technocratic solution and a consensus and we seem incapable of meeting the challenges. I'm just not prepared to give BJ anything he can proclaim as a mandate.

[ragingpup]

It's an interesting one, Wendun. I can't see the DUP propping up a minority Tory government whilst the Johnson deal is on the table and I don't think the Lib Dems will support a government led by Corbyn.

I think a hung Parliament will mean another GE in the New Year and the need for someone to ask an increasingly frustrated EU for a Brexit extension if we are to avoid a no deal exit by default.

You think the Lib Dems will turn down the chance of a 2nd vote simply because it's Corbyn?

[CASPER-64-FRANK]

You think the Lib Dems will turn down the chance of a 2nd vote simply because it's Corbyn?

If the Libdems don’t increase their share of the vote then they are irrelevant. I don’t care what anyone says Jo Swinson has run a below average campaign.
I expected more from the Libdems. It’s looking like tactical voting may gain them a few votes.

[KerrAvon]

If the Libdems don’t increase their share of the vote then they are irrelevant. I don’t care what anyone says Jo Swinson has run a below average campaign.
I expected more from the Libdems. It’s looking like tactical voting may gain them a few votes.

The poor poll performance of the Lib Dems is interesting. Anecdotally they have suffered because many remainers are uncomfortable with the 'revoke article 50' policy.

I do wonder what that says about the likely outcome of a further referendum if remainers are taking the view that the outcome of the 2016 vote must be respected.

Swinson is also carrying too much coalition baggage.

[howdydoo]

The poor poll performance of the Lib Dems is interesting. Anecdotally they have suffered because many remainers are uncomfortable with the 'revoke article 50' policy.

I do wonder what that says about the likely outcome of a further referendum if remainers are taking the view that the outcome of the 2016 vote must be respected.

Swinson is also carrying too much coalition baggage.

The poor performance can also be attributed to the Lib Dems choice of leader.

Worst than Corbyn. A disaster.