The Corona Virus

[oldcolner]

look colner - I can hear and see what you say on the BBC or governemt websites etc.....and your free to repeat it, but I think you should perhaps try looking a little deeper - where you'll find that your above comment is a truly uninformed one, the vaccines made by Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna, make copies of the viral spile protein, viral fakes that cause a reaction, how can they do that without hijacking or taking over the immune system - they can't , it's their whole point - they're cloaked until they get in side the cell, then they grow the spiike protein - unlike the non-replicating viral vectors from Oxford/AstraZeneca - but were talking the virally derived, self-amplifying RNA Pfizer vac...Aren't we - and finally...this is Absolutely not a conventional vaccine - as before, Pharma Is Not producing proteins to do the work, basic knowledge at this point - no ?


Colner . I only responded because of your derogatory and misinformed response...all the above and earlier comment, is easily verifiable. I wouldn't post otherwise.


and...I really dont want to communicate any further response with you, if you could try and steer away, much appreciated

Thank You.

Norder
Maybe I was a bit OTT in my rebuttal but to suggest I’m a mouthpiece for the BBC and government is rather insulting. I worked with vaccines for 30 years and had qualifications needed to let me do that.

Maybe you should read the CDC site.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...they-work.html

It says there are three types of vaccine and this is how they work

mRNA vaccines contain material from the virus that causes COVID-19 that gives our cells instructions for how to make a harmless protein that is unique to the virus. After our cells make copies of the protein, they destroy the genetic material from the vaccine. Our bodies recognize that the protein should not be there and build T-lymphocytes and B-lymphocytes that will remember how to fight the virus that causes COVID-19 if we are infected in the future.

Protein subunit vaccines include harmless pieces (proteins) of the virus that cause COVID-19 instead of the entire germ. Once vaccinated, our immune system recognizes that the proteins don’t belong in the body and begins making T-lymphocytes and antibodies. If we are ever infected in the future, memory cells will recognize and fight the virus.

Vector vaccines contain a weakened version of a live virus—a different virus than the one that causes COVID-19—that has genetic material from the virus that causes COVID-19 inserted in it (this is called a viral vector). Once the viral vector is inside our cells, the genetic material gives cells instructions to make a protein that is unique to the virus that causes COVID-19. Using these instructions, our cells make copies of the protein. This prompts our bodies to build T-lymphocytes and B-lymphocytes that will remember how to fight that virus if we are infected in the future.

By all means don’t reply to me in future, but I won’t refrain from responding to your posts when I understand them, if they are giving views I don’t agree or are wrong

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I will wait a while.

[oldcolner]

I will wait a while.

I think by the time we get called there will be millions who have had it before us and the risks will be better and more accurately quantified. I’m not bothered by the odd pain, there’s a few on here , or headache. I have no allergies and my medicines don’t interact with vaccines - few do. I may grow two heads though after 10 years, I might need the extra brain cells by then. Lol

[oldcolner]

On the mask evidence front.
South Dakota has not implemented mask wearing and has one of the highest COVID rates in the US. In early September one City Brooking implemented mask wearing. At that time it had the highest infection rate in the state. Now it has the lowest.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/55216518

[The Bedlington Terrier]

On the mask evidence front.
South Dakota has not implemented mask wearing and has one of the highest COVID rates in the US. In early September one City Brooking implemented mask wearing. At that time it had the highest infection rate in the state. Now it has the lowest.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/55216518

I'm totally sick and tired of seeing Dick Turpin and his missus every time I turn a corner, but the one that really cracks me up is the "Masked Solo Car Driver". FFS!

[The Bedlington Terrier]

On the mask evidence front.
South Dakota has not implemented mask wearing and has one of the highest COVID rates in the US. In early September one City Brooking implemented mask wearing. At that time it had the highest infection rate in the state. Now it has the lowest.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/55216518

Where's this dude off to?

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[oldcolner]

Where's this dude off to?

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No idea but he could be a taxi driver or giving someone in the back seat a lift. We did that with grandsons in the days when we could see them.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

No idea but he could be a taxi driver or giving someone in the back seat a lift. We did that with grandsons in the days when we could see them.

No-one else was in the car, but the bloody photo cut off mid-stream. Why would a single occupancy vehicle need the driver to wear a mask?

[oldcolner]

The US recorded its highest level of coronavirus deaths in a single day on Wednesday, just two weeks after the Thanksgiving holiday period when health experts warned Americans not to travel or gather.

According to the Johns Hopkins University tracker, 3,124 deaths were recorded, with an additional 221,276 cases identified. It is the first time the US has recorded more than 3,000 deaths in a single day.

The US healthcare system is under considerable pressure: hospitalisations from Covid were also at a record on Wednesday, at 106,000.

Some states including California, Texas and Rhode Island have been setting up field hospitals in order to cope with the potential overflow patients as intensive care units (ICU) across the country fill up. The demand is being felt nationwide: in El Paso last week just 13 of the 400 ICU beds were unoccupied. Albuquerque had no free beds, while Fargo in North Dakota had just three.

I guess that death rates will rise further as it’s only 2 weeks post Thanksgiving and deaths usually occur after 3-4 weeks. If the US doesn’t act to control travel over the Festive Season things will go much worse in the new year.

Dr Robert Redfield, the head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said: “The reality is December and January and February are going to be rough times. I actually believe they are going to be the most difficult time in the public health history of this nation.”

[The Bedlington Terrier]

The US recorded its highest level of coronavirus deaths in a single day on Wednesday, just two weeks after the Thanksgiving holiday period when health experts warned Americans not to travel or gather.

According to the Johns Hopkins University tracker, 3,124 deaths were recorded, with an additional 221,276 cases identified. It is the first time the US has recorded more than 3,000 deaths in a single day.

The US healthcare system is under considerable pressure: hospitalisations from Covid were also at a record on Wednesday, at 106,000.

Some states including California, Texas and Rhode Island have been setting up field hospitals in order to cope with the potential overflow patients as intensive care units (ICU) across the country fill up. The demand is being felt nationwide: in El Paso last week just 13 of the 400 ICU beds were unoccupied. Albuquerque had no free beds, while Fargo in North Dakota had just three.

I guess that death rates will rise further as it’s only 2 weeks post Thanksgiving and deaths usually occur after 3-4 weeks. If the US doesn’t act to control travel over the Festive Season things will go much worse in the new year.

Dr Robert Redfield, the head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said: “The reality is December and January and February are going to be rough times. I actually believe they are going to be the most difficult time in the public health history of this nation.”

When I was living in and out of the US in the 1980's, I seem to recall about 7,000 US citizens died every day. A quick fact checker shows no real difference between now and then, just more deaths being "attributed" to COVID. Not arguing, just saying.