O/T EU Vote In/Out

[Getintaethem]

Rochead... couple of videos just for you...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9_EhmfxHys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulkh10sSmVE

[Rochead]

Rochead... couple of videos just for you...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9_EhmfxHys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulkh10sSmVE

Thanks, I enjoyed them. The first one in particular sums it up nicely.

[Buc]

This has more than likely been posted before worth another look though .



https://conversation.which.co.uk/mon...parison-serps/

[Buc]

Thanks for opening up that link Rochead .

[Buc]

Found this interesting



http://www.lbc.co.uk/11-would-vote-r...joining-132570

[DirkDonDiggler]

Out for me. When have the big corporations and the banking system funding the remain campaign, to me the warning signs are there. I suggest the people on the fence look up Daniel Hannan and listen to his talks.

https://www.facebook.com/danielhanna...3437832957331/

[elginred]

Hard to argue with some of the Leave arguments on here.Am mostly out at this stage,mainly for democratic reasons,Cameron and Co have only given economic arguments.
Still open to persuasion though.On one hand am thinking our leaving may trigger the break up of the EU,and possible security issues,but on the other it may be help address the complacency/unaccountabilty of your Mandelsons and fellow Eurocrats

[Getintaethem]

Hard to argue with some of the Leave arguments on here.Am mostly out at this stage,mainly for democratic reasons,Cameron and Co have only given economic arguments.
Still open to persuasion though.On one hand am thinking our leaving may trigger the break up of the EU,and possible security issues,but on the other it may be help address the complacency/unaccountabilty of your Mandelsons and fellow Eurocrats

I understand your concerns. I had them too.

I think the EU is going to fall at some point in the future. This could be a gradual failure or it could be a dramatic failure. The dramatic failure would happen because the Euro and the policies of Germany and the EU against nations like Greece or the issues with Italy and France. Without billions and billions going into these economies to prop them up the Euro it will fail. At some stage, Germany's government may decide enough is enough. There are huge economic challenges with no easy answers for the EU and their only answer so far is to pump billions in.

The EU cannot continue with some members in the Euro and others outside it. The EU in order to save the Euro will need the Euro members to get ever closer to a State with all tax and spend being controlled centrally. This will drive non Euro states away from the EU and perhaps some others in the Euro.

With regards to security, it is in everyone's interest to continue intelligence sharing. The UK (like it or not) has the biggest intelligence operation in the whole of Europe and one of the largest in the World. This has been proven by the intelligence leaks that have happened over the past few years. We therefore share more intelligence with our partners in Europe that we receive. Intelligence sharing will continue. There are some things that we can control and others we cannot. We cannot control the consequences of a dramatic failure of the Euro inside or outside of the EU.

[elginred]

I understand your concerns. I had them too.

I think the EU is going to fall at some point in the future. This could be a gradual failure or it could be a dramatic failure. The dramatic failure would happen because the Euro and the policies of Germany and the EU against nations like Greece or the issues with Italy and France. Without billions and billions going into these economies to prop them up the Euro it will fail. At some stage, Germany's government may decide enough is enough. There are huge economic challenges with no easy answers for the EU and their only answer so far is to pump billions in.

The EU cannot continue with some members in the Euro and others outside it. The EU in order to save the Euro will need the Euro members to get ever closer to a State with all tax and spend being controlled centrally. This will drive non Euro states away from the EU and perhaps some others in the Euro.

With regards to security, it is in everyone's interest to continue intelligence sharing. The UK (like it or not) has the biggest intelligence operation in the whole of Europe and one of the largest in the World. This has been proven by the intelligence leaks that have happened over the past few years. We therefore share more intelligence with our partners in Europe that we receive. Intelligence sharing will continue. There are some things that we can control and others we cannot. We cannot control the consequences of a dramatic failure of the Euro inside or outside of the EU.

Good post.You got time to listen to this,be interested in your opinion

https://news.liverpool.ac.uk/2016/06...rendum-debate/

[Brian Grantland]

Hard to argue with some of the Leave arguments on here.Am mostly out at this stage,mainly for democratic reasons,Cameron and Co have only given economic arguments.
Still open to persuasion though.On one hand am thinking our leaving may trigger the break up of the EU,and possible security issues,but on the other it may be help address the complacency/unaccountabilty of your Mandelsons and fellow Eurocrats

Be interested to know what the 'democratic reasons are' in your opinion.