O/T Jacob Rees - Mogg

[Slimchance]

Correct me if I'm wrong here Kerr (I am hugely confident you will :-)) but are we really discussing what Corbyn actually means with the words "I will deal with it" in relation to student debt?

Obviously, this does not in any way promise to wipe the whole slate clean, he made quite clear that he would address it. I.e. do cost analysis and look at what could be done to help ease the problem (both to individuals and the country) of such huge debts.

I personally take him on trust (based on his historical record) that he will do this. I do appreciate that some will disagree but I think that he will and it will become part oft he next manifesto.

The question is how much?

So, let's assume that the party do the sums (get Abbott off that calculator!!) and decide to pledge to wipe 20% off historical student debts and that this becomes part of the next manifesto.

Isn't that dealing with it?

I don't really understand your problem here? Where did Corbyn ever promise more than that?

That could be about £20bn, thats going to be a big shake of the "magic money tree ", and makes the DUP bung look like peanuts.

[Adventus2012]

To Quote Adam Lusher of the independent - "Mr Rees-Mogg, whose full-blooded Toryism and unabashed poshness has led to him being nicknamed “the Honourable Member for the 18th Century”

Says it all really! IMO

[sawmiller]

As a Catholic, I wonder what he thinks about the historic and continuing issues of 'cover ups' regarding child ***ual abuse by priests and their ilk?

[Exiletyke]

Correct me if I'm wrong here Kerr (I am hugely confident you will :-)) but are we really discussing what Corbyn actually means with the words "I will deal with it" in relation to student debt?

Obviously, this does not in any way promise to wipe the whole slate clean, he made quite clear that he would address it. I.e. do cost analysis and look at what could be done to help ease the problem (both to individuals and the country) of such huge debts.

I personally take him on trust (based on his historical record) that he will do this. I do appreciate that some will disagree but I think that he will and it will become part oft he next manifesto.

The question is how much?

So, let's assume that the party do the sums (get Abbott off that calculator!!) and decide to pledge to wipe 20% off historical student debts and that this becomes part of the next manifesto.

Isn't that dealing with it?

I don't really understand your problem here? Where did Corbyn ever promise more than that?

I am strangely in agreement with you on this one Ragingpup but now you've mentioned 20% that sum will forever be shoved down your throat
And you see you can get through a post without reference to Muslims

[Lasterman]

Correct me if I'm wrong here Kerr (I am hugely confident you will :-)) but are we really discussing what Corbyn actually means with the words "I will deal with it" in relation to student debt?

Obviously, this does not in any way promise to wipe the whole slate clean, he made quite clear that he would address it. I.e. do cost analysis and look at what could be done to help ease the problem (both to individuals and the country) of such huge debts.

I personally take him on trust (based on his historical record) that he will do this. I do appreciate that some will disagree but I think that he will and it will become part oft he next manifesto.

The question is how much?

So, let's assume that the party do the sums (get Abbott off that calculator!!) and decide to pledge to wipe 20% off historical student debts and that this becomes part of the next manifesto.

Isn't that dealing with it?

I don't really understand your problem here? Where did Corbyn ever promise more than that?

I agree with you, but somehow huge swathes of the population took his words to mean something else, and he did nothing to clarify the position until after the election.

[animallittle3]

I can't understand all the discussion with Corbyn myself , a left wing loony , stuck in the 70's , a trot , totally unelectable and the UK will never vote for social democracy .

The Tories will remain in power for ever and a day , there is only one way and that's the hard medicine of reality served up by our elite .

Call an election next month then May , get your majority and mandate back under control and away you go .

No problem ...........right !!!!

[ragingpup]

I And you see you can get through a post without reference to Muslims

LOL. But no sarcasm reserved for those posters who continually start the Muslim threads eh Exile? I'm sure the likes of Great Fire et al outnumber my contributions ten fold but nothing about them, no?

[millmoormagic]

I agree with you, but somehow huge swathes of the population took his words to mean something else, and he did nothing to clarify the position until after the election.

Maybe the media kind of, as usual, concentrated more on the fake news rather than the actual news, though, i do take your point about clarification fully, a chance misse dmaybe, who knows...

[Exiletyke]

LOL. But no sarcasm reserved for those posters who continually start the Muslim threads eh Exile? I'm sure the likes of Great Fire et al outnumber my contributions ten fold but nothing about them, no?

Not sarcasm just the truth
Now back to work

[monty_rhodes]

Not sarcasm just the truth
Now back to work

Exile, there really is no point in bothering. Academic studies have repeatedly shown that when you present balanced argument and evidence to people of opposed views both groups say it reinforces their opinion. If you look at the reviews for a book like Donald Murray's "The Strange Death of Europe" - which btw is a poorly written but immensely important work on the insoluble problems behind Europe's decline - you see that it receives either 1 or 5 stars depending on the stance of the reader. We're doomed, I tell you, doomed.