OT - Salisbury Poisoning

[MadAmster]

Everything is a conspiracy, the twin towers collapsed due to a controlled explosion, not aeroplanes, the moon landing was done at a filming studio and the earth is flat! now another one added to the list! When a few more innocent people are killed they'll realise the proof was real!

So the Metropolitan Police are wrong in their timings of when the Skripals left their home and/or what time the 2 Russians got to Salisbury? I think they would love you to explain to them how and why they are wrong in this "intel" they have shared with the press..... or is the release a smoke screen for some reason?

I await the facts that explain it all......................

[MadAmster]

...... as for the flat earth theory, I am currently seeking contestants to take part in a new reality show. A £100K prize goes to the first flat earther to find the edge of our flat planet

[ramAnag]

Everything is a conspiracy, the twin towers collapsed due to a controlled explosion, not aeroplanes, the moon landing was done at a filming studio and the earth is flat! now another one added to the list! When a few more innocent people are killed they'll realise the proof was real!

You forgot the £350m ‘Leave’ conspiracy...and Farage’s poster campaign.
All is not always as it seems MoP...not everything is a conspiracy either...but the establishment is not always to be trusted as we should have learned from such events as Hillsborough, Watergate, WoMD and just about every time Trump opens his mouth.
The establishment and those in or seeking power have been known to tell huge porkies...shock, horror!

[Manofpride]

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those seeking power have been known to tell huge porkies...shock, horror!

Talking of porkies, you mean like the remainers with their scare tactics! , also Trump's been saying it's fake news makes you wonder if he has been telling the truth all along. At the end of the day we read these mixed stories and we make up our own minds which all differ.

[ramAnag]

Talking of porkies, you mean like the remainers with their scare tactics! , also Trump's been saying it's fake news makes you wonder if he has been telling the truth all along. At the end of the day we read these mixed stories and we make up our own minds which all differ.

MoP, you’re right...we do all differ and, in all seriousness, one of the more reassuring aspects of the debate on here is that you and I, who clearly have very different perspectives, have never resorted to falling out or any sort of abuse.
The notion that Trump might be ‘telling the truth’ really is a bridge too far for me though and as for the ‘scare tactics’...what you and the Leavers seem to fail to recognise is that, nothing has yet happened! All the evidence suggests that if we go ahead with Brexit then, come six months time we’re going to be in one hell of a mess and even the most ardent Brexitears e.g. Rees Mogg reckon it could take fifty years for us to reap any benefit from Brexit.

[Ram59]

MoP, you’re right...we do all differ and, in all seriousness, one of the more reassuring aspects of the debate on here is that you and I, who clearly have very different perspectives, have never resorted to falling out or any sort of abuse.
The notion that Trump might be ‘telling the truth’ really is a bridge too far for me though and as for the ‘scare tactics’...what you and the Leavers seem to fail to recognise is that, nothing has yet happened! All the evidence suggests that if we go ahead with Brexit then, come six months time we’re going to be in one hell of a mess and even the most ardent Brexitears e.g. Rees Mogg reckon it could take fifty years for us to reap any benefit from Brexit.

I seem to remember being told that it would be a disaster if we didn't join the euro, all the facts pointed to that. Also, at the stroke of midnight on new years eve for the new millennium, many computers would fail and planes would fall out of the sky. As soon as we voted for brexit, there would be immediate increases in vat and income tax and shares would crash. Just remind me how many of these things actually happened.

[Andy_Faber]

Simple Ra I live in the real world, we are leaving the EU and that being the case EVERYONE, inc me, you, Gina bl@@dy Miilar, EU flag Bill, the frankly useless HM government snd opposition SHOULD be pouring every ounce of effort into making Brexit work for UK. That approach stems from four decades in industry as a boss and a pleb at various times, where, when a task was given to me, I considered two things: is it legal? Is it ethical? And both those being yes, id get on with it, entrusting my boss with seeing a bigger picture

[MadAmster]

Simple Ra I live in the real world, we are leaving the EU and that being the case EVERYONE, inc me, you, Gina bl@@dy Miilar, EU flag Bill, the frankly useless HM government snd opposition SHOULD be pouring every ounce of effort into making Brexit work for UK. That approach stems from four decades in industry as a boss and a pleb at various times, where, when a task was given to me, I considered two things: is it legal? Is it ethical? And both those being yes, id get on with it, entrusting my boss with seeing a bigger picture

Abserblumminlootly!!

This poor excuse for a leadership has had 2 years to put together a strategy of what they wanted out of the deal, what they wanted to put to the EU in the negotiations, what they were prepared to let go, what they were prepared to water down and what was an absolute must and therefore non-negotiable.

They finally, just a couple of weeks ago, came up with a hotch potch of requirements that don't deliver Brexit. It's a Hokey Cokey idea in which we are half in annd half out, no longer IN the EU but not completely OUT of it either.

Too far IN to satisfy a Brexiteer and too far OUT to satisfy a Remainer.

Watered down Customs deal. Freedom of movement under another name.

Basically, nobody will be happy with the deal.

Some hold on to the thought that a "no deal" has the safety net of the WTO trade deal and tariffs. Now, the Donald is talking about maybe scuppering the WTO.

[ramAnag]

Simple Ra I live in the real world, we are leaving the EU and that being the case EVERYONE, inc me, you, Gina bl@@dy Miilar, EU flag Bill, the frankly useless HM government snd opposition SHOULD be pouring every ounce of effort into making Brexit work for UK. That approach stems from four decades in industry as a boss and a pleb at various times, where, when a task was given to me, I considered two things: is it legal? Is it ethical? And both those being yes, id get on with it, entrusting my boss with seeing a bigger picture

Andy...’I live in the real world, we are leaving the EU’. Really? Is that totally decided then?
I don’t think so. There is still a lot of water to flow under the proverbial bridge and as much chance of a second referendum, imo, as there is of a no deal Brexit or any sort of deal on Brexit.
What if there is a second referendum and what if that second referendum concludes that they’ve looked at the future and if the ‘future is Brexit’ they don’t bloody like it? Does that then become your ‘real world’.
Just answer the following few Yes/No questions.
1) Was the referendum ever anything more than advisory?
2) Were people ever sufficiently well informed about complexities such as NI and the implications for trade?
3) Did a genuine majority of the electorate vote in favour of Brexit given that this was a ‘two horse race’?
4) Did the Remain campaign abide by electoral law in the run up to the Referendum?
5) Were voters truthfully informed by claims in the Referendum campaign?
6) Since June 2016 have you been encouraged by the result of the Referendum as far as the UK’s future in the next two decades is concerned?
Six serious questions which I very much doubt you’ll be able to answer with anything other than a ‘No’. That being the case why, oh why, do you persist in describing it as the ‘real world’? There’s still time to change from something which you have admitted elsewhere you don’t actually agree with.

[Andy_Faber]

Andy...’I live in the real world, we are leaving the EU’. Really? Is that totally decided then?
I don’t think so. There is still a lot of water to flow under the proverbial bridge and as much chance of a second referendum, imo, as there is of a no deal Brexit or any sort of deal on Brexit.
What if there is a second referendum and what if that second referendum concludes that they’ve looked at the future and if the ‘future is Brexit’ they don’t bloody like it? Does that then become your ‘real world’.
Just answer the following few Yes/No questions.
1) Was the referendum ever anything more than advisory?
Legally it wasn't mandatory but that's semantics pushed by in denial remainers (I won't use the phrase Remoaners, sloganeering has been part of the problem through all this
2) Were people ever sufficiently well informed about complexities such as NI and the implications for trade?
I'll give you a no on that one but the Irish border and trade were irrelevancies to a good proportion of Leave voters, they wer (and still are) more bothered about the impact of immigration and loss of Sovereignty
3) Did a genuine majority of the electorate vote in favour of Brexit given that this was a ‘two horse race’?
Yes
4) Did the Remain campaign abide by electoral law in the run up to the Referendum?
I think you mean the Leave campaign, and I doubt it, but as I've said before on here 'There were no clean hands', it was Leeds v. Millwall not The Gentlemen versus The Players
5) Were voters truthfully informed by claims in the Referendum campaign?See 4 above
6) Since June 2016 have you been encouraged by the result of the Referendum as far as the UK’s future in the next two decades is concerned?Yes on balance, despite the unfortunate fact that there will be winners and losers
Six serious questions which I very much doubt you’ll be able to answer with anything other than a ‘No’. That being the case why, oh why, do you persist in describing it as the ‘real world’? There’s still time to change from something which you have admitted elsewhere you don’t actually agree with.

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