O/T:- Is Brexit a dead duck?

[i961pie]

If reports of the troubles in France are right, 130,000 protesters, 400+arrests, over 100 injured and 4 dead, I think it's pretty serious. Who knows if this unrest were to spread across Europe it could just be the catalyst to begin the collapse of the EU.

A new Nationalist party as sprung up in Spain and they apparently won 12 seats in the elections in Andalusia with the ruling Social workers party losing 14 seats. Europe is slowly turning to the right which is very scary.

[drillerpie]

Agreed in part, but the Labour position is more complex than that. Of course Labour would like another election, the last one didn't produce a majority and May bribed the now hostile DUP into propping her government up. But Corbyn fundamentally dislikes the EU and would happily take a hard Brexit, although that's not PC in his party which is London centric and full of wishy washy centrists. 'Sir' Keir Starmer, who appears to be only Labour in name, is his Brexit minister and has slowly manipulated the position round to backing a second referendum, which he hopes will result in a remain vote. Blair is of the same view.

Then the Labour MPs have ump**** shades of grey in between, depending on what their constituents voted. As I said, mine voted Labour and Leave, so I expect Coaker to represent our position. He is nothing if not loyal, whatever he privately believes.

This could still go any way, but France and Germany are starting to have trouble controlling their own voters, never mind us. Maybe the entire EU is on the verge of collapse.

Wishy washy centrists and the trades unions who pay for the party to exist.

[Bohinen]

Wishy washy centrists and the trades unions who pay for the party to exist.

No, I mean the MPs like arch remainer Chris Leslie, who takes a big salary for doing very little other than impersonating Dale Winton. The actual paying members (over 500,000 of them) are not centrists, they tend to be on the left.

[forwardmagpie]

Forwardmagpie’s credibility is undermined a bit by the fact he’s asked me that question and not you.

What credibility?

[drillerpie]

No, I mean the MPs like arch remainer Chris Leslie, who takes a big salary for doing very little other than impersonating Dale Winton. The actual paying members (over 500,000 of them) are not centrists, they tend to be on the left.

On the left very possibly, but pro EU.

[Mapperleypie]

The UK Government will be halting article 50 before March 29th. Brexit is on its last legs in this incarnation.

[Trickytreesreds]

The UK Government will be halting article 50 before March 29th. Brexit is on its last legs in this incarnation.

Fact or opinion?

I had no idea you was a soothsayer

[Mapperleypie]

Fact or opinion?

I had no idea you was a soothsayer

Opinion.

May's Deal has no chance of getting through Parliament and there is no way in the world a majority of MP's would allow no-deal and the predicted economic fall-out come to pass on their watch (except for a few Tories at stand to make some serious cash off the back of the economic shock). The EU has now said the UK can pull the plug on article 50 on it's own, I would make this now the extremely strong favourite.

Brexit has been a stupid mistake from the moment Cameron added it to the 2015 Conservative manifesto, time some folks admitted to their mistake/accept that they have been duped.

[Trickytreesreds]

Opinion.

May's Deal has no chance of getting through Parliament and there is no way in the world a majority of MP's would allow no-deal and the predicted economic fall-out come to pass on their watch (except for a few Tories at stand to make some serious cash off the back of the economic shock). The EU has now said the UK can pull the plug on article 50 on it's own, I would make this now the extremely strong favourite.

Brexit has been a stupid mistake from the moment Cameron added it to the 2015 Conservative manifesto, time some folks admitted to their mistake/accept that they have been duped.

Well its an interesting analogy.
I still don't think you've grasped the core of why folks voted out in the first place.
As for the stupid mistake comment. Do you deny that Heath "DUPED" the nation in the first place, by burying the truth of what we was signing up to?

He still didn't reveal it, when we was asked again in 1974, whether we wanted to stay in a "common market"
We have never been asked again since and been dragged along through the Lisbon agreement etc. So much for democracy.

Your contempt for Cameron giving that vote, is one of federalist perspective.
Sure Cameron didn't think he'd lose. But it goes to show, that the population has a voice and ignore it at your peril.
If May leaves us IN the EU, then that is the Conservatives done for 20 years.

I'm afraid to disagree with you. The ruling on unilateral withdrawal from article 50, is another EU ploy.
In fact it's laughable, that you can unilaterally STAY IN THE EU, but according to May's deal, you can't withdraw from any signed deal.

It shows more and more what a distasteful entity it really is.
From the moment Junker said, "get with the programme and do as you are told" was enough for me and millions of others.

[dam617]

Fact or opinion?

I had no idea you was a soothsayer

The Inconvenient Truth is that it's an opinion not a final ruling.