Leeds United - v - Hull City ** Carabao Cup ***Matchday Thread***

[whitestomper45]

As per the last conversation we all had about this, from the submitted documentation - the evidence was overwhelming and damning.

Have you read the documents... nothing was actually proven, just based on probability and weighted against him because he didn't apologise..
I thought it was innocent until proven guilty.

[Rev72]

Rev said black cloud..... RACIST!

Yeah but somebody else typed it......

[Rev72]

The FA have their own court of law as well.

Wendies player (fanniehairy or whatever his name is) actually took the racist claim to court and won..only to find the FA found him guilty!

Funny that int it

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

As per the last conversation we all had about this, from the submitted documentation - the evidence was overwhelming and damning.

Read the judgement a while back now sure would say it was overwhelming and decision only on the balance of probabilities.

The stuff around what was or wasn’t said was not easy to decide but the defence run by Casilla and Leeds was bonkers which undermined his credibility in terms of who to believe on the actual words used. The official from Leeds seemed to be equally culpable.

Casilla has no previous and had lots of character witnesses. It is definitely not great to have such a stain on your reputation but the decision needs to be read in the context it was given.

Him being not up to it is a completely different issue.

On the captaincy it was said to be the decision of the dressing room which rings true as that was how Cooper got it.

To now brand him as an outright racist is a tad harsh as opposed to he probably got something badly wrong in one game but not clearly - probably.

I would prefer he is sold more because we need someone better and he is an expensive drain on the wage bill.

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

Should say not rather than now.

[asturianblanco]

just the slightest suggestion that you could be racist is enough to convict these days.

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

Sad but true - what happened to due process and rules. Sure some of the sports bodies get into trouble by straying into areas they should just leave to the courts and people better places to judge the issues.

[asturianblanco]

if you are white and male, the authorities should start with the premise that you ARE racist until proved otherwise, this will save the courts time and money, obvious excemptions for the wokes, snowflakes and the LMBQTPQT crowd.

[Jezleeds]

if you are white and male, the authorities should start with the premise that you ARE racist until proved otherwise, this will save the courts time and money, obvious excemptions for the wokes, snowflakes and the LMBQTPQT crowd.

I think you make a reasonable point - it does all go too far generally. Clearly a few of us differ on this particular example and i'm quite happy to respect other people's interpretations of the evidence - mine remains that he was racist and hasn't apologised for it.

The process was the one in place for dealing with such incidents within the organisation that governs his trade - he could have appealed to a legal court or accused the accuser of defamation, and looked at clearing his name afterwards. He didn't do any of that.

As HO states, the outcome was on the balance of probability. That is the same process for every decision made by every court. In the end, we disagree on the outcome's judgement of probability.

He could even have come out and said something like 'i did not do this, but i regret if anything i did say was interpreted in the way it was' - and then made a statement against racism and use of words like that in particular. But he didn't do any of that either.

[Rev72]

My stance on it has never changed.

If your a cnut your a cnut regardless of colour/gender but I can't be doing with this horrible spoilt snowflake generation we have these days.