Those of you who had Covid....

[Orgoner]

Separate issue I think WTF - Fauci was hauled before Congress I think and the accusation was his department was funding the research in Wuhan at the lab where some in the US believe the virus escaped from.

The questions were pointed but the responses were very evasive - again, it was often ever thus.

Summary of latest published research

Israel - naturally acquired immunity provides better protection than full vaccination.

Canada - published last week in the BMJ - full vaccination is much better than no protection at all

UK - published in BMJ - Pfizer and AZ don’t really stop transmission but do significantly protect the individual

UK published BMJ - risks of side effects from vaccines analysed and for most side effects not very different to the normal prevalence in the population as a whole. In any event for the unprotected the risks of those same conditions are way way highwr.

Ergo - COVID 19 will be around for a while as we can’t stop transmission.

Individual protection is key. If you have had COVID and recovered you will have good immunity but getting the vaccine will be better still and protect you even more. If you have the vaccine you are likely to COVID if you live as normally as allowed but the vaccine should stop you getting COVID badly (unless you have other risk factors) and when you get it once you recover you will be better protected.

If you are not naturally immune and unvaccinated you are taking bigger risk than you need to so just get vaccinated so you have as much protection as you can when you get exposed.

Testing those without symptoms will become
leas important - we don’t test people without flu for flu!

All seems logical to me.

I must admit that I wasn't aware that the US might have been (and might still be) funding dodgy research in this area outside of the US because, well, they won't allow it on US soil, but it doesn't really surprise me. More's the pity.

[WTF11]

Separate issue I think WTF - Fauci was hauled before Congress I think and the accusation was his department was funding the research in Wuhan at the lab where some in the US believe the virus escaped from.

The questions were pointed but the responses were very evasive - again, it was often ever thus.

Summary of latest published research

Israel - naturally acquired immunity provides better protection than full vaccination.

Canada - published last week in the BMJ - full vaccination is much better than no protection at all

UK - published in BMJ - Pfizer and AZ don’t really stop transmission but do significantly protect the individual

UK published BMJ - risks of side effects from vaccines analysed and for most side effects not very different to the normal prevalence in the population as a whole. In any event for the unprotected the risks of those same conditions are way way highwr.

Ergo - COVID 19 will be around for a while as we can’t stop transmission.

Individual protection is key. If you have had COVID and recovered you will have good immunity but getting the vaccine will be better still and protect you even more. If you have the vaccine you are likely to COVID if you live as normally as allowed but the vaccine should stop you getting COVID badly (unless you have other risk factors) and when you get it once you recover you will be better protected.

If you are not naturally immune and unvaccinated you are taking bigger risk than you need to so just get vaccinated so you have as much protection as you can when you get exposed.

Testing those without symptoms will become
leas important - we don’t test people without flu for flu!

Thanks for the Fauci info. Once reputation is gone its difficult, if not impossible, to recover

Agree 100% on all your other points. Had the virus (twice), and am now double vaccinated so about as well-armed as possible to do battle with the virus, everyone else needs to do what they can (vaccination-wise I mean, not getting infected willfully!) to get similar protection.

[WTF11]

All seems logical to me.

I must admit that I wasn't aware that the US might have been (and might still be) funding dodgy research in this area outside of the US because, well, they won't allow it on US soil, but it doesn't really surprise me. More's the pity.

The US have form when it comes to getting proxies to do their dirty work for them, not surprising if they are/were involved in funding/supporting the same nowadays, just very disappointing if true.

[spaldy]

The US have form when it comes to getting proxies to do their dirty work for them, not surprising if they are/were involved in funding/supporting the same nowadays, just very disappointing if true.

it is true. It's now published in one of the web's alternate sites. Easy to just say it's all made up and a conspiracy from a kooky website but the e-mails are listed and you don't dummy up 900 pages of e-mails. These e-mails, of course, will never be covered by US journalists. I suspect other countries journalists will cover it since it's a huge scandal. Hope that the UK or Reuters has the spine to do it.

of course, fauci denied any involvement of it at all and called the senator questioning him a liar. You and I would spend the rest of our days locked up in some max security prison. He'll spend no time and continue to spout off his nonsense about how all of this was from some bat and was was naturally occurring.

[spaldy]

WTF, thank you for the correction on the pharmas.