OT Shortage of lorry drivers? What is to blame?

[Brin]

Of course I'm not, I'm saying it wouldn't be as bad. I think that's pretty objectively true.

What you accuse the Remainers of, you're doing exactly the same on the leave side, its hilarious the denial of any sort of acknowledgement of the role played by Brexit. Will you dare acknowledge that Brexit is having a huge impact on the driver shortage?

Let's all blame each other then for the state of affairs brexit or not. Have a nice day John

[KerrAvon]

It's a strange old world when people who identify as being on the Left of politics see the supply of cheap foreign labour as being a panacea for the the woes of the UK economy.

I'm not sure that I understand what being on the Left means any more.

P.s, I voted remain.

[Geetarman]

Just posted same time as you crash but both sort of back up what you have said

Won't argue with this, it does come accross very arrogant. Doesn't mean I'm wrong. I did tell you so.

'argument'

'across'

As do you when you attempt to belittle your peers then fall flat on your face, as just happened.

[ragingpup]

Because our T & C,s will be more attractive.
Simple economics, supply and demand fixes the price

But industry leaders appear not to agree with this:

Marco Digioia, the head of the European Road Haulers Association which represents more than 200,000 trucking companies across the country: “There is a driver shortage across Europe. I am not sure how many would want to go to the UK.”

Digioia said European driver salaries were generally higher than in Britain; new EU rules had improved working conditions; and billions of euros had been offered to fund parking areas and support companies.

“The UK doesn’t have access to any of that,” he said. “Tempting European drivers back to the UK when they also have to face the reality of customs and border checks, all the uncertainties of Brexit … We have to be realistic.”

Higher salaries, and perhaps tax incentives, might help in the short term, he said, but “a lot of money is being thrown at this whole problem in Europe right now. There’s a level playing field, and none of the Brexit-related hassle”.

Ian Wright, chief executive of the Food and Drink Federation, said that there could be as many as four million people who were available to companies at the beginning of last year but are no longer in the potential labour force. He warned of another pinch point in just a few weeks, when agency staff would be needed to deal with the autumn and Christmas peak in demand.

“I’m absolutely certain that when we get to the end of September and when we start to look at the crucial role of agency workers in the Christmas rush, there won’t be enough available,” he said.

Completely agree that the pandemic is the main factor for the world shortage but the fact that we had years of anti-immigration messaging together with the sudden introduction of EU workers needing to apply for settled status/visas to work in the UK, and then throw in the large amounts of new beurocracy for companies considering sending/buying merch from the UK, and it isn't hard to see how this country will be affected more negatively than others. It was always going to happen anyway to a lesser extent, all but the most hardened Breiters could see that there would be economic cost, but the pandemic has simply and quite cruelly blown the impact up much more than it would have done. And that isn't to say that the public weren't entitled to take an economic hit in order to reduce immigration, but to then deny the impact of that decision on the economy when everyone know what was going to happen seems a little blinkered to me.

[John2]

'argument'

'across'

As do you when you attempt to belittle your peers then fall flat on your face, as just happened.

If you like to focus on spelling rather than content of the arguement to reassure yourself of how you feel, that's possibly more of a reflection on you. Feel free, I hope its of comfort to you.

[John2]

It's a strange old world when people who identify as being on the Left of politics see the supply of cheap foreign labour as being a panacea for the the woes of the UK economy.

I'm not sure that I understand what being on the Left means any more.

P.s, I voted remain.

Left and right are old fashioned labels that try to shoehorn many different perspetives into two small boxes.

Driven by values of human freedom, to live and work freely, and nations operating in alliance rather than isolationist for me is the motivation, it just happens to also have economic benefits too that even "right wingers" (economically speaking) would historically appreciate.

[John2]

Let's all blame each other then for the state of affairs brexit or not. Have a nice day John

As predicted, can't bring yourself to acknowledge any role played by Brexit in our current woes, can you?

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

As predicted, can't bring yourself to acknowledge any role played by Brexit in our current woes, can you?

Like you can't comment about RUFC on a football message board called Millersmad

So sad

[crashbang]

As predicted, can't bring yourself to acknowledge any role played by Brexit in our current woes, can you?

John , we are out, done.
live with it.
Actually you have to if you stay here.

[millertop]

Like you can't comment about RUFC on a football message board called Millersmad

So sad

Exactly