Solihull

[Davy500]

NA and IB both had the ability to get us out the league.
One of them is a game away from promotion to league 2 and the other will be managing in league 1 next season.
Yet this thread is all about proving which manager was worse. And that is the problem that Notts have got. We have a weight of expectation that isn’t a positive one. It’s a demanding one that is often unrealistic and constantly writing off Owners/Managers/Players at the drop of a hat. I’ve spoken to several players and ex players over the years and they do read social media and it does have an impact. You can’t underestimate that. The same people that slated NA week after week try and justify his success at Solihull by saying he couldn’t handle the pressure at Notts…..well let’s remove the pressure then!
I read the FGR message board after IB was appointed. Not one negative comment, just welcoming messages. Imagine for one second that was Notts. A non-league manager that hasn’t won promotion. His card would be marked from day one, and so would the owners.
Steve Cooper and the Forest players summed it up perfectly after promotion.
When asked what SC did to change things at Forest, he didn’t talk about tactics, style of play or formation, he talked about killing the players with kindness as everyone loves to be loved. Every player echoed that and spoke about the impact the fans had in that. If ever there was proof what unanimous support from top to bottom can have, it’s Forest’s achievement this season.
Whoever our next manager is, we will lose games of football and we will have games where we play cr@p. We’re a non league club, it’s going to happen. I just hope we do it less often than every other team.

To be fair that is just human nature, whenever new manger or owners take over at a club there is normally a peroid of good will
Take IB for example, as you know i never wanted him as a manager, as i believe experience is the key not a trainee over 3 or 4 years that might work out , however i wished him well and wanted him to do well, but it became apparent from the start he was a backward step , he started poorly and was beaten in the play offs. But he deserved a full season to give it a go , which he got, during his full season i saw no improvement, all the usual failures that he did nothing to sort out like, losing to poor teams like aldershot and Eastleigh, crumbling under a high press when pressure was put on us, and ultimately folding earlier at the QF stage of the play offs

[Davy500]

You did say you weren't a fan of the timing of the NA's sacking, and I agree with you regarding VAR. I'm referring to the 100+ NA related posts and comments you made prior to his sacking. You know the ones

As for "ALL the players that people this season said were good" , as magpie_mania rightly points out our deserved player of the season winner Matty Palmer was signed during IBs time. If Palmer hadn't have won a very good shout would have been out club captain Kyle Cameron. Again another signed on IBs watch. Sooooooo

To give you a better illustration just look at the designated thread on who NCM posters should be player(s) of the season / Top 5. Look who appears in the top 3 on the vast majority of lists. Sorry to bring it up Davy but such an error really needed pointing out. Unless you don't think Palmer and/or Cameron have been some of our better players this term?

They are not the players that are generating the main interest such as Wooten, RR, and roberts , and palmer and cameron are 2 players out of how many ??
One of the resons for Ardleys success at Solihull is signing Andrew Dallass last summer ,a better player than palmer and cameron i think

[magpie_mania]

NA and IB both had the ability to get us out the league.
One of them is a game away from promotion to league 2 and the other will be managing in league 1 next season.
Yet this thread is all about proving which manager was worse. And that is the problem that Notts have got. We have a weight of expectation that isn’t a positive one. It’s a demanding one that is often unrealistic and constantly writing off Owners/Managers/Players at the drop of a hat. I’ve spoken to several players and ex players over the years and they do read social media and it does have an impact. You can’t underestimate that. The same people that slated NA week after week try and justify his success at Solihull by saying he couldn’t handle the pressure at Notts…..well let’s remove the pressure then!
I read the FGR message board after IB was appointed. Not one negative comment, just welcoming messages. Imagine for one second that was Notts. A non-league manager that hasn’t won promotion. His card would be marked from day one, and so would the owners.
Steve Cooper and the Forest players summed it up perfectly after promotion.
When asked what SC did to change things at Forest, he didn’t talk about tactics, style of play or formation, he talked about killing the players with kindness as everyone loves to be loved. Every player echoed that and spoke about the impact the fans had in that. If ever there was proof what unanimous support from top to bottom can have, it’s Forest’s achievement this season.
Whoever our next manager is, we will lose games of football and we will have games where we play cr@p. We’re a non league club, it’s going to happen. I just hope we do it less often than every other team.

Excellent post.

Just how I feel.

[magpie_mania]

They are not the players that are generating the main interest such as Wooten, RR, and roberts , and palmer and cameron are 2 players out of how many ??
One of the resons for Ardleys success at Solihull is signing Andrew Dallass last summer ,a better player than palmer and cameron i think

You said all the good players are Ardley signings.

That is simply untrue.

[Davy500]

Arsenal Wenger had no experience of the premier league or English football for that matter but he didn't do to bad did he? If no one takes a gamble on a new and untried manager then it would mean we just keep recycling the old failures.

Yes but only one in a hundred or maybe even a thousand will turn out to be as good as Arsen Wenger

I understand the logic of trying to unearth a silver gem , but the odds are greatly stacked against you that it will happen, off course if it does its spectacular, and the reason why rich owners will take a risk on the untrained rookie or trainee, as they have little to lose when it gies belly up , financially anyway , its like putting a small bet on a 1 to 1000 chance of winning

[Davy500]

You said all the good players are Ardley signings.

That is simply untrue.

yes but most were, and the ones we could sell for any decent money are

[magpie_mania]

yes but most were, and the ones we could sell for any decent money are

So what were Notts supposed to do? Get rid of all NA's signings? Or course some were his signings.
That's how football works.

[laddo]

They are not the players that are generating the main interest such as Wooten, RR, and roberts , and palmer and cameron are 2 players out of how many ??
One of the resons for Ardleys success at Solihull is signing Andrew Dallass last summer ,a better player than palmer and cameron i think

They were the two players who NCM folk thought were our best two players this season. One of them won the club's official Player of the Season award! You are just looking plain silly trying to downplay the fact that Palmer and Cameron were our two most consistent and best performing players.

You never mentioned who was generating interest. You said "IB never really signed any good players". So you are now saying our player of the season and our club captain aren't good players and haven't had good seasons?!? This would be superb trolling if it didn't make you look daft.

Oh and I believe it was 2 from 7.

Dallas has clearly been superb for them this season but no team in the playoffs let alone the final are a one man team.

Have another go Davy... And remember they can all be classed as radar signings#radarlove

[SwalePie]

NA and IB both had the ability to get us out the league.
One of them is a game away from promotion to league 2 and the other will be managing in league 1 next season.
Yet this thread is all about proving which manager was worse. And that is the problem that Notts have got. We have a weight of expectation that isn’t a positive one. It’s a demanding one that is often unrealistic and constantly writing off Owners/Managers/Players at the drop of a hat. I’ve spoken to several players and ex players over the years and they do read social media and it does have an impact. You can’t underestimate that. The same people that slated NA week after week try and justify his success at Solihull by saying he couldn’t handle the pressure at Notts…..well let’s remove the pressure then!
I read the FGR message board after IB was appointed. Not one negative comment, just welcoming messages. Imagine for one second that was Notts. A non-league manager that hasn’t won promotion. His card would be marked from day one, and so would the owners.
Steve Cooper and the Forest players summed it up perfectly after promotion.
When asked what SC did to change things at Forest, he didn’t talk about tactics, style of play or formation, he talked about killing the players with kindness as everyone loves to be loved. Every player echoed that and spoke about the impact the fans had in that. If ever there was proof what unanimous support from top to bottom can have, it’s Forest’s achievement this season.
Whoever our next manager is, we will lose games of football and we will have games where we play cr@p. We’re a non league club, it’s going to happen. I just hope we do it less often than every other team.

Excellent post that

[Davy500]

They were the two players who NCM folk thought were our best two players this season. One of them won the club's official Player of the Season award! You are just looking plain silly trying to downplay the fact that Palmer and Cameron were our two most consistent and best performing players.

You never mentioned who was generating interest. You said "IB never really signed any good players". So you are now saying our player of the season and our club captain aren't good players and haven't had good seasons?!? This would be superb trolling if it didn't make you look daft.

Oh and I believe it was 2 from 7.

Dallas has clearly been superb for them this season but no team in the playoffs let alone the final are a one man team.

Have another go Davy... And remember they can all be classed as radar signings#radarlove

I do not know anything about Rador signings Laddo