what advice would you give RMT unioin

[Returnofrros]

Again I agree but it would have taken a bit of bottle to go against the "lockdown or else" mantra that all the big european countries and the usa were taking.
Unfortunately both the uk and scottish leader just went with the flow and same small number of advisers instead of looking at other options.

Sturgeon was on telly everyday, no other leader did that, sturgeon kept on going further like NZ aus and Canada....did no good.

It was ridiculous and be back in the winter.

Florida and Sweden called it right.

[jdfc]

'The members'. What about the employer that has to consider all employees, customers, suppliers etc?

We used to laugh at the 'members' meetings in the can****. Somebody would walk in for a cup of tea and you'd hear the shhh, be quiet, he's not a member he can't hear this (they didn't even have the decency to wear aprons) before the Shop Steward would say 'you'll have to drink your tea somewhere else'. The answer? 'No. this is my break and I'm having it in the can****'. End of meeting, morons.

What do you reckon people think of your 'members' when they take industrial action, for purely selfish reasons, that directly impinges on the livelihoods of so many others? For trade union read self serving and greedy. For Shop Steward read bully, for senior union local or national rep up to main fat cat read failed politician.

I hate unions and always will, no need for them in modern industry. Run by people who like to think they know what others want for people who can't think for themselves.

I hate unions, at least your open about that, do they make your job/life harder ?

If it wasn’t for unions so many wouldn’t have any of the rights they have now, equality in the work place wouldn’t exist for a start, I could make a list of things the union has fought and won for employees but you wouldn’t be interested, we know there are some union reps that are in it for themselves but there are plenty that do for nothing more than seeing fairness

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I hate unions, at least your open about that, do they make your job/life harder ?

If it wasn’t for unions so many wouldn’t have any of the rights they have now, equality in the work place wouldn’t exist for a start, I could make a list of things the union has fought and won for employees but you wouldn’t be interested, we know there are some union reps that are in it for themselves but there are plenty that do for nothing more than seeing fairness

Unions don't make my job or life harder. I have no contact with them any union any more.

It's easy to say we wouldn't have this, that and whatever if it wasn't for whoever. Unfortunately that's just a subjective opinion and has no basis in fact.

Yes, the unions won certain rights for workers by negotiation and / or industrial action back in a time when industry was massive in the UK, but there is absolutely no empirical evidence to say these rights, and more, wouldn't have been given anyway as the world, and attitudes, progressed.

We should all be grateful for what those people did back then but remember the unions were corrupt and senior officials were in bed with the management, they were likely handed as much by management using common sense and realising they get more from happy employees than they do from disgruntled ones, than they did by negotiation.

Watch the true story Made In Dagenham to see how much the unions and management used to co-operate to keep the 'members' down. Until someone from outside their cohort took it upon herself to get the fairness employees deserved - equal pay (well, nearly) for women. The union was dead against it and won nothing. The women had to fight the union and the management to get what they deserved.

[BCram]

Happened to hear the RMT union leader onTV this morning. Didn't sound nearly so confident and the issue is clearly more about job cuts because the commuter based model for city centres is in serious decline. A bit like coal was undermined by North Sea Gas and cheap imports, it seems that the commuter is cheaper working from home and I fear that allowing MSM to use pay and the cost of living crisis as a way to describe the strikes is not helpful for either city centres or the railway workers.

[islaydarkblue]

Happened to hear the RMT union leader onTV this morning. Didn't sound nearly so confident and the issue is clearly more about job cuts because the commuter based model for city centres is in serious decline. A bit like coal was undermined by North Sea Gas and cheap imports, it seems that the commuter is cheaper working from home and I fear that allowing MSM to use pay and the cost of living crisis as a way to describe the strikes is not helpful for either city centres or the railway workers.

There were two people interviewed outside the London Bridge station and shown on today’s lunchtime BBC news.
One man said that he was fed up with the strikes whilst another woman said that there should be a General Strike.
This women would no doubt be the first to complain if the power workers went on strike resulting in massive power cuts.
She did not look old enough to have lived through the power cuts in the early 1970’s otherwise she would soon change her tune.

[grantzer]

There were two people interviewed outside the London Bridge station and shown on today’s lunchtime BBC news.
One man said that he was fed up with the strikes whilst another woman said that there should be a General Strike.
This women would no doubt be the first to complain if the power workers went on strike resulting in massive power cuts.
She did not look old enough to have lived through the power cuts in the early 1970’s otherwise she would soon change her tune.

Why? Maybe she believes in workers rights. You need to remember not everyone is a victorian tory.....

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Why? Maybe she believes in workers rights. You need to remember not everyone is a victorian tory.....

I'm not a Victorian Tory but I did live through the power cuts of the seventies.

I'm 100% against industrial action of any kind because nobody really benefits from it - not the worker, not the company and not the customer (us).

[grantzer]

I'm not a Victorian Tory but I did live through the power cuts of the seventies.

I'm 100% against industrial action of any kind because nobody really benefits from it - not the worker, not the company and not the customer (us).

I'm 100% for it. Everyone has the right to withhold Labour,and if you believe you are justified,then go for it.

Nobody really wants to strike especially these days,so if they are willing to lose wages to prove a point,then more power to them

[The AuldYin]

I'm 100% for it. Everyone has the right to withhold Labour,and if you believe you are justified,then go for it.

Nobody really wants to strike especially these days,so if they are willing to lose wages to prove a point,then more power to them

Yer attitude would change if it affected you and your family directly.

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I'm 100% for it. Everyone has the right to withhold Labour,and if you believe you are justified,then go for it.

Nobody really wants to strike especially these days,so if they are willing to lose wages to prove a point,then more power to them

Correct, everyone has the right to withhold their labour. However do they really have the right to disrupt to the detriment of their employer, families and society in general? I don't thinks so myself.

Other thing is why withhold labour for say two weeks in a year year costing yourself 3.5% of your annual wages, disrupting your customers, causing your employer to lose money, causing your family hardship and (of course) making it clear to your employer that you can't be trusted in the process in an attempt to secure an extra 1.5% or 2% on your annual wage rise? Just doesn't make financial sense.

I started with my current employer in July 2018, I received a 2% salary increase this year and that's the first one I've had from them. Do I complain? No because I know that the 2%, in an industry that struggled pre pandemic and through it, is better than a possible option of zero salary.

The problem with some people is that they forget that you never know what you have until you no longer have it. Those of us that have been there do.