Knee taking … now only occasionally for prem league

[howdydoo]

I respect good black people, my family and myself have many black friends so I don’t say this lightly but enough is enough.

The point has been made with the ‘knee’ but I for one will no longer be applauding it at football games or elsewhere.

If you are a genuine nice human being you will go through life respecting your fellow human being whatever colour or ethnicity they may be.

Swansea City as a team have chosen this season not to take the knee, others should follow but, not forget to still show respect.

I appreciate it’s a team game but why have they chosen as a team not to take the knee. For me this the problem.

If a player wants to take the knee let him. If he doesn’t want to that should also be fine. It should be a choice.

Unfortunately it never has been an individuals choice. Irrespective of arguments for and against, that can’t be right.

[Brin]

I appreciate it’s a team game but why have they chosen as a team not to take the knee. For me this the problem.

If a player wants to take the knee let him. If he doesn’t want to that should also be fine. It should be a choice.

Unfortunately it never has been an individuals choice. Irrespective of arguments for and against, that can’t be right.

Howdy, collectively they may well have had a team meeting and decided as a team not to continue with it. They have black players and I’m sure as individuals they will have still chosen to take the knee had they chosen to do so without fear of retribution.

[millertop]

I appreciate it’s a team game but why have they chosen as a team not to take the knee. For me this the problem.

If a player wants to take the knee let him. If he doesn’t want to that should also be fine. It should be a choice.

Unfortunately it never has been an individuals choice. Irrespective of arguments for and against, that can’t be right.

Yep

[great_fire]

Anyone who thinks that a white player could unilaterally decide to stop "taking the knee" is living in Cloud-Cuckoo Land, they would be hounded out of the game.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Anyone who thinks that a white player could unilaterally decide to stop "taking the knee" is living in Cloud-Cuckoo Land, they would be hounded out of the game.

But footballers are special 😆

Just a cursory glance at this board shows you how divided it is, some for, some against, some very much for, some very much against.

Why would footballers, managers and officials be any different?

They aren’t, they are just following the easy path when they take the knee.

[avondalemiller]

....so we might not see the Black Power raised fist then in the Premier? Was this a collective dressing room agreement? There wasn't any disscussion in the media, would it have been ok for a white player to do what Zaha did at Crystal Palace, would the white guy have got away with it as lightly as Zaha?

...on another note, i don't give a sh1te about who does and who doesn't, it means nothing anymore, Zaha was right.

[ragingpup]

....so we might not see the Black Power raised fist then in the Premier? Was this a collective dressing room agreement? There wasn't any disscussion in the media, would it have been ok for a white player to do what Zaha did at Crystal Palace, would the white guy have got away with it as lightly as Zaha?

...on another note, i don't give a sh1te about who does and who doesn't, it means nothing anymore, Zaha was right.

Zaha has his opinion, which is just as valid as the players who still want to take the knee. Anyone's opinion on not taking the knee is just as right as anyone who believes it still has a place. None are 'right' or 'wrong' and not sure why anyone would feel the need to feel so righteous one way or the other on this gesture. Imo

[ragingpup]

Collins English Dictionary achievement
1. something that has been accomplished by hard work,ability or heroism.
2. the condition of having been accomplished.

Your points above are talking points but not achievements.

An example would be, when we had a mass shooting we banned most guns. That was an achievement.
In America they have multiple mass shootings and are still talking about it. Not an achievement.

Oh OK, you're right. It's only an achievement when there is legislation change as a direct result within the same week.

Out of interest, are you aware of how many years the suffragette movement were operating before women gained the same voting rights as men?

[Slimchance]

Oh OK, you're right. It's only an achievement when there is legislation change as a direct result within the same week.

Out of interest, are you aware of how many years the suffragette movement were operating before women gained the same voting rights as men?

Nice try but changing the subject will not wash.

So just list the top 5 achievements that taking the knee has accomplished.

[ragingpup]

Nice try but changing the subject will not wash.

So just list the top 5 achievements that taking the knee has accomplished.

It wasn't a change of subject. It's directly relevant and just there to note how long social movements often take to be felt in legislation. I think you know that.

I've already listed 6 which I and I think most people able to appreciate how social change works, consider to be achievements in having a significant social impact. If you are defining achievement as attaining a law change of certificate, too narrow for evolving social change and would have had you facing up to a suffragette, in the many years leading up to women achieving the vote with "Come on then darling, list 5 achievements to the suffragette movement. And then make me a sandwich"