O/T Trussed in Leader gone

[Redshank]

They struck a chord , I was one of them , problem is middle England weren't having it and if 2019 told us anything it's that middle England will never have it .

The Red Wall weren't having it either but for possibly different reasons .

I've given it up mate , way too old for fighting battles I'll never win .

It is what it is and we have to vote for the party we dislike the least .

Never give up comrade. It's morally wrong what these bar stewards are doing. I admit it gets harder, but never give up.
Check out the link, you'll enjoy it.

[ragingpup]

Sorry mate but the only way they could defeat Corbyn was by a constant barrage of crap in the media coupled with all the anti-semitism/racist lies. There was never any intention of an open debate on policies because they know that a lot of Corbyn's policies struck a chord with many people.

Here's an interesting watch for you. Don't dismiss it as hard left crap just watch with an open mind and then tell me he's wrong. It's an interesting story regardless...
https://novaramedia.com/2022/10/09/t...ary-stevenson/

I'm familiar with Novara media Shank, and quite like Michael Walker. Likewise I watch some of the main output on GB News and the hard right sites.

I can't say I disagree with you on the way that the media attacked Corbyn. But at the same time, the way that the wheels came off him and his leadership soon after the 2017 high point, to the extent that those of us who supported him had little belief left in him well before the 2019 election were pretty much in despair with him and his strategists as well as the media. It's some comfort, but not much that the further rightist politicians came quite unstuck by the centrist machinary also! Shame the machinary tends to be much more centre right than centre left. And yes, I hear you animal, Sunak could be seen to be further right than many would like, but that would depend on your lens - GF and Gristy would see him as establishment centre left. For most of the UK population however, they will continue to be overall huge losers on income and health policies whilst the super wealthy continue to prosper.

[animallittle3]

Never give up comrade. It's morally wrong what these bar stewards are doing. I admit it gets harder, but never give up.
Check out the link, you'll enjoy it.

It's not just that Redshank , I've landed a brilliant job working for a brilliant company which I absolutely love , couldn't be happier in the workplace .

Two fantastic grandkids , a boy at 3 and a girl at 1 , absolute apples of my eye .

Me and our lass are tieing the knot next year after all these years together .

There's nowt to fight for anymore personally .

[Townerslovechild]

More importantly, he's got lovely tidy hair much neater than the last fella ,needs to get some trousers 👖 that fit him though.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

More importantly, he's got lovely tidy hair much neater than the last fella ,needs to get some trousers 👖 that fit him though.

By an odd coincidence the time it's taken from him putting his name on the ballot for PM to actually becoming PM is about the same time as the gestation period of a ferret

[mygiddypant]

Who would?

Sunak as chancellor handed me and I mean handed me, £30k because I lost a few bookings on a holiday let. Stupid.

Let’s not mention the billions they handed out in interest free loans that will never be paid back. Furlough haha.

As for our wonderful HS. Why don’t we meet up and visit every house in South Yorkshire.

Nothing to do with pay. Let’s visit every house and see how many £millions of drugs are stashed in people’s medicine cabinets.

Social care??? What happened to families looking after their own and not charge the tax payer?

I’m really at a loss with it all.

I don't own more than my one property, but I'm imagining that you had to apply for the handout. If you made a profit you weren't expecting, pay it back. Or is that too simplistic? Mind, £30k is chickenfeed compared to the millions squandered on PPE.

The only organ to continue to expose the immoral and illegal dealings in PPE is Private Eye. The sums here are more massive than the Piggies can imagine and make your profit pale into insignificance (but still not acceptable).

I'm not sure what you're saying about the NHS and social care.

[mygiddypant]

More importantly, he's got lovely tidy hair much neater than the last fella ,needs to get some trousers �� that fit him though.

I think the shortness of pants is supposed to be an illusion - we imagine that his legs are longer than they really are.

[mygiddypant]

55 Tufton Street - look it up

Yes, I'm familiar with this house of ill-repute.

[KerrAvon]

I wasn't a fan of Corbyn.

I think it is incredibly lazy to blame the media for his failures - it's a kind of comfort blanket that people who share his politics hang on to rather than face the truth.

The truth is that the media didn't have to do much of job on Jeremy. Reporting his actual words and deeds were enough.

Corbyn lives in a world of 1970s student politics in which he is more interested in the West Bank than the West Midlands and Gaza rather than Glasgow. I'm not saying that it is wrong for people to hold an internationalist outlook, but it's a bad trait in a political leader, because the electorate sense and resent the disinterest in them and their lives. That's why the red wall fell -not because the red tops took a dislike to him.

And Corbyn also managed to give the impression that he didn't actually like the UK very much. That was epitomised by his comments over the Novichok incident, where he appeared to struggle with the concept that Russia might have been a bit naughty in Salisbury (despite Russia no longer being the same country that he idolised in his student days). Again, disliking the country that you say you want to lead is an unhelpful trait when it comes to election time.

As for the current set up, I am surprised that anyone wants the PM job at the moment. Talk about a poisoned chalice... We live in a country that voted for an act of economic self-harm in 2016 - effectively imposing trade sanctions on ourselves - and are struggling to deal with the aftermath of covid. It's going to be a **** show for the next few years.

The Tories pushed a lot of the grown ups out of the party because they were a bit too remainy and are living with the consequences of that. I'd say that there is a 50% chance that their civil war will break out again and that Sunak will be gone before the next GE.

[howdydoo]

I don't own more than my one property, but I'm imagining that you had to apply for the handout. If you made a profit you weren't expecting, pay it back. Or is that too simplistic? Mind, £30k is chickenfeed compared to the millions squandered on PPE.

The only organ to continue to expose the immoral and illegal dealings in PPE is Private Eye. The sums here are more massive than the Piggies can imagine and make your profit pale into insignificance (but still not acceptable).

I'm not sure what you're saying about the NHS and social care.

I was actually contacted by the local council but yes, I had to fill in a form. Are you being too simplistic? Yeah, you are.

...... and no it wasn't all profit. Insurance and maintenance still needed paying for. Bookings were cancelled and will continue to suffer for years to come. During the period and in the future my tax burden has increased and will continue to increase. The £30k will soon be wiped out. So I'll keep it (as it's been spent) thanks. I'm saying this and the other measures he took were ill judged and will cost this country for years to come. I keep reading Brexit is the primary cause. I disagree.

See animals comments regarding furlough.

As for millions squandered on PPE. It's a disgrace. If your not sure about what I'm saying about the NHS, look at those deals as an example of what happens every day in our wonderful NHS.


We need someone to take on the super rich. They are paying next to nothing. Not keep targeting the 20m who actually go out to work and pay their dues. Whether that's a bloke on £20k a year or someone on £2m a year. That person is paying back over a £1m back in tax.

What is clear, if it wasn't before is that politicians are not running this country.