O/T Trussed in Leader gone

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

More importantly, he's got lovely tidy hair much neater than the last fella ,needs to get some trousers 👖 that fit him though.

By an odd coincidence the time it's taken from him putting his name on the ballot for PM to actually becoming PM is about the same time as the gestation period of a ferret

[mygiddypant]

More importantly, he's got lovely tidy hair much neater than the last fella ,needs to get some trousers �� that fit him though.

I think the shortness of pants is supposed to be an illusion - we imagine that his legs are longer than they really are.

[KerrAvon]

I wasn't a fan of Corbyn.

I think it is incredibly lazy to blame the media for his failures - it's a kind of comfort blanket that people who share his politics hang on to rather than face the truth.

The truth is that the media didn't have to do much of job on Jeremy. Reporting his actual words and deeds were enough.

Corbyn lives in a world of 1970s student politics in which he is more interested in the West Bank than the West Midlands and Gaza rather than Glasgow. I'm not saying that it is wrong for people to hold an internationalist outlook, but it's a bad trait in a political leader, because the electorate sense and resent the disinterest in them and their lives. That's why the red wall fell -not because the red tops took a dislike to him.

And Corbyn also managed to give the impression that he didn't actually like the UK very much. That was epitomised by his comments over the Novichok incident, where he appeared to struggle with the concept that Russia might have been a bit naughty in Salisbury (despite Russia no longer being the same country that he idolised in his student days). Again, disliking the country that you say you want to lead is an unhelpful trait when it comes to election time.

As for the current set up, I am surprised that anyone wants the PM job at the moment. Talk about a poisoned chalice... We live in a country that voted for an act of economic self-harm in 2016 - effectively imposing trade sanctions on ourselves - and are struggling to deal with the aftermath of covid. It's going to be a **** show for the next few years.

The Tories pushed a lot of the grown ups out of the party because they were a bit too remainy and are living with the consequences of that. I'd say that there is a 50% chance that their civil war will break out again and that Sunak will be gone before the next GE.

[Redshank]

I wasn't a fan of Corbyn.

I think it is incredibly lazy to blame the media for his failures - it's a kind of comfort blanket that people who share his politics hang on to rather than face the truth.

The truth is that the media didn't have to do much of job on Jeremy. Reporting his actual words and deeds were enough.

Corbyn lives in a world of 1970s student politics in which he is more interested in the West Bank than the West Midlands and Gaza rather than Glasgow. I'm not saying that it is wrong for people to hold an internationalist outlook, but it's a bad trait in a political leader, because the electorate sense and resent the disinterest in them and their lives. That's why the red wall fell -not because the red tops took a dislike to him.

And Corbyn also managed to give the impression that he didn't actually like the UK very much. That was epitomised by his comments over the Novichok incident, where he appeared to struggle with the concept that Russia might have been a bit naughty in Salisbury (despite Russia no longer being the same country that he idolised in his student days). Again, disliking the country that you say you want to lead is an unhelpful trait when it comes to election time.

As for the current set up, I am surprised that anyone wants the PM job at the moment. Talk about a poisoned chalice... We live in a country that voted for an act of economic self-harm in 2016 - effectively imposing trade sanctions on ourselves - and are struggling to deal with the aftermath of covid. It's going to be a **** show for the next few years.

The Tories pushed a lot of the grown ups out of the party because they were a bit too remainy and are living with the consequences of that. I'd say that there is a 50% chance that their civil war will break out again and that Sunak will be gone before the next GE.

I get what you're saying. He was by no means perfect, I've always said that. He was effectively dropped into a job he probably didn't want in the first place. He was put in the frame by the lazy centrists as a sop candidate to fob off the left. Unfortunately, it backfired as they were so out of touch with the membership who were so pi**ed off with the shambles that the Labour Party had become. The rest is history.

Corbyn was very naive, but he connected with and gave hope to a lot of people who normally wouldn't bother voting. His chance was in 2017. Remember, Corbyn got over 40% of the popular vote - the Tories had 42%. With hindsight, the Labour party should have reset after that although Brexit would have been very difficult whoever was in charge. The red wall would have rejected any centrist remainer just as vociferously as they did Corbyn - probably more so. It's interesting that whilst Labours share of the popular vote collapsed by around 2 million in 2019 the Tories was almost unchanged (13.6m up to 13.9m). This one fact alone shows how unsuitable and antiquated our electoral system really is.

It's a shame that the current leadership don't adopt at least some of Corbyn's policies, preferring instead to instigate a witch hunt against the left. The Labour Party has always been a broad church of views. It should continue to be so.

[ragingpup]

I was actually contacted by the local council but yes, I had to fill in a form. Are you being too simplistic? Yeah, you are.

...... and no it wasn't all profit. Insurance and maintenance still needed paying for. Bookings were cancelled and will continue to suffer for years to come. During the period and in the future my tax burden has increased and will continue to increase. The £30k will soon be wiped out. So I'll keep it (as it's been spent) thanks. I'm saying this and the other measures he took were ill judged and will cost this country for years to come. I keep reading Brexit is the primary cause. I disagree.

See animals comments regarding furlough.

As for millions squandered on PPE. It's a disgrace. If your not sure about what I'm saying about the NHS, look at those deals as an example of what happens every day in our wonderful NHS.


We need someone to take on the super rich. They are paying next to nothing. Not keep targeting the 20m who actually go out to work and pay their dues. Whether that's a bloke on £20k a year or someone on £2m a year. That person is paying back over a £1m back in tax.

What is clear, if it wasn't before is that politicians are not running this country.

Completely agree re: super rich although anyone proposing to do as you suggest here is going to take flak from the media protectors of the super rich that would make their attacks on Corbyn and Miliband seem like gentle hugs!

But tie right. Small taxes on the masses wouldn't begin to pay for the damage that's been done by the last yearss of austerity and beyond. Although I think that a progressive taxing of the 40k+ pay be necessary so to that the framing of such a proposal isn't met with a 'picking on the hard earned super wealth' isn't played out that sadly would get sympathy from the people who have most to lose/have lost the most.

Can I interest you in a copy of the SW? ;-)

[howdydoo]

Completely agree re: super rich although anyone proposing to do as you suggest here is going to take flak from the media protectors of the super rich that would make their attacks on Corbyn and Miliband seem like gentle hugs!

But tie right. Small taxes on the masses wouldn't begin to pay for the damage that's been done by the last yearss of austerity and beyond. Although I think that a progressive taxing of the 40k+ pay be necessary so to that the framing of such a proposal isn't met with a 'picking on the hard earned super wealth' isn't played out that sadly would get sympathy from the people who have most to lose/have lost the most.

Can I interest you in a copy of the SW? ;-)

Erm no but thanks anyway.

[Redshank]

Erm no but thanks anyway.

We've got to stop thinking left wing/right wing. Howdy is right, there's a money drain to the super rich and the gap is widening. It's morally wrong and just increases the cost of living for the majority as the minority buy more assets with their booming wealth. House prices today = 8x average salary compared to 4x 20 years ago. It will get worse, much worse. More and more people will have to rent, which results in more wealth to the super rich. A whopping 10% of the total welfare budget is supposedly spent on housing benefit, the bulk of which is to pay the rent of poor people who can't afford it. More and more property being snapped up by foreign investment companies....more of the welfare budget handed over to them. It's a win-win for the Tories who can brag about increasing welfare...in effect, they're giving it to their mates. The whole system stinks.

You're right Howdy, time to ditch the two party system although how we do that with it being stitched up by the two of them is beyond me.

[animallittle3]

I wasn't a fan of Corbyn.

I think it is incredibly lazy to blame the media for his failures - it's a kind of comfort blanket that people who share his politics hang on to rather than face the truth.

The truth is that the media didn't have to do much of job on Jeremy. Reporting his actual words and deeds were enough.

Corbyn lives in a world of 1970s student politics in which he is more interested in the West Bank than the West Midlands and Gaza rather than Glasgow. I'm not saying that it is wrong for people to hold an internationalist outlook, but it's a bad trait in a political leader, because the electorate sense and resent the disinterest in them and their lives. That's why the red wall fell -not because the red tops took a dislike to him.

And Corbyn also managed to give the impression that he didn't actually like the UK very much. That was epitomised by his comments over the Novichok incident, where he appeared to struggle with the concept that Russia might have been a bit naughty in Salisbury (despite Russia no longer being the same country that he idolised in his student days). Again, disliking the country that you say you want to lead is an unhelpful trait when it comes to election time.

As for the current set up, I am surprised that anyone wants the PM job at the moment. Talk about a poisoned chalice... We live in a country that voted for an act of economic self-harm in 2016 - effectively imposing trade sanctions on ourselves - and are struggling to deal with the aftermath of covid. It's going to be a **** show for the next few years.

The Tories pushed a lot of the grown ups out of the party because they were a bit too remainy and are living with the consequences of that. I'd say that there is a 50% chance that their civil war will break out again and that Sunak will be gone before the next GE.

Not sure they'll be another Tory leader before the next GE but defiantly agree civil war will erupt before too long .

Mogg's sat back on the backbench and with his nose out of joint it may look a quick fix but he wields some clout on the Tory Right does Jacob .

The phrase keep your friends close and your enemies closer still is something Sunak may regret .

[KerrAvon]

Easy now, giddy. The thing about Brexit is that you've just got to wait for the benefits of Brexit And wait. And wait. And wait.

In the meantime, you've got to cover your eyes and stick your fingers in your ears to avoid seeing or hearing about the downside. To do otherwise would be to admit those who voted for it were wrong, which just won't do

[KerrAvon]

And that shouldn't be taken as a criticism of those who voted for it. They were lied to, but undoubtedly believed that leaving would benefit the UK