O/T:- Trump Presidency 2.0 [hic sunt dracones]

[drillerpie]

Trunpnis walking back his tariffs pledge. This dropped an hour ago:

https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/...s-yet-b9c8378d

And as if by magic, look what has happened to the dollar.

As i was saying before, tariffs are inflationary, and not having them means the Fed are less likely to raise rates. Dollar wasn't strong in homage to a great leader.

[OchPie]

What about wanting a social welfare or health system that isn't being abused and therefore available to all when needed?

The actual definitions of "abused", "available to all" and "when needed" vary enormously across the political spectrum in the UK.

I think most people believe in the overall principle of some kind of social safety net, but whether that should give someone a life or merely keep them alive is a matter of considerable debate, even now.

[keldsyke]

I applaud some of Trumps policies but I can still abhor him as a person, you need to learn to separate the two.

That? the problem the usual Far Left suspects on here act on emotion and not balance, if it?s not what they want to hear they get abusive.

[Elite_Pie]

That? the problem the usual Far Left suspects on here act on emotion and not balance.

Please can you name some of "the usual Far Left suspects on here"?

And don't pretend it was a joke about alleged far right suspects.

[SwalePie]

That? the problem the usual Far Left suspects on here act on emotion and not balance, if it?s not what they want to hear they get abusive.

To be fair, both the right and left abuse each other on here.

[Mud Pie]

showing my age here, but the terms "Far" left and "Far" right are confusing to me these days.

I did study IA and Politics as elements of my first degree at U of Nottm like decades ago (and very little since!), but then the Far Left was anti-democratic and didn't believe in the vote, wanted equal rights for all, and national ownership of most/all business - as well as international co-existence on similar themes.

The Far Right was also anti-democratic, supported the Nazis, racial segregation, hegemony, and individual ownership of the means of production, as well as unfettered National sovereignty (and National expansionism!) and the right to unlimited individual wealth.

I'm probably seriously beyond my shelf life politically, but I've only read examples of Far Right on here, and nothing that deviates from what I'd call centre left. Tell me I'm wrong!

[Jampie]

showing my age here, but the terms "Far" left and "Far" right are confusing to me these days.

I did study IA and Politics as elements of my first degree at U of Nottm like decades ago (and very little since!), but then the Far Left was anti-democratic and didn't believe in the vote, wanted equal rights for all, and national ownership of most/all business - as well as international co-existence on similar themes.

The Far Right was also anti-democratic, supported the Nazis, racial segregation, hegemony, and individual ownership of the means of production, as well as unfettered National sovereignty (and National expansionism!) and the right to unlimited individual wealth.

I'm probably seriously beyond my shelf life politically, but I've only read examples of Far Right on here, and nothing that deviates from what I'd call centre left. Tell me I'm wrong!

You aren't wrong at all, you are completely correct.

Both the left and right of politics have actually shifted to the right during past decade or two. Those in the murdoch press bubble now routinely flag moderate left or even moderate right politicians, political views and civilians as "far left". It's complete nonsense, no matter how many times they repeat it.

Wanting companies to pay tax is a moderate view, not far left.

Wanting healthcare for the public is a moderate view, not far left.

Wanting companies to obey laws is a moderate view, not far left.

Wanting democratic norms is a moderate view, not far left.

Wanting to counter a dictator who invades his democratic neighbours is a moderate view, not far left.

And on it goes.

[Med Pie]

You aren't wrong at all, you are completely correct.

Both the left and right of politics have actually shifted to the right during past decade or two. Those in the murdoch press bubble now routinely flag moderate left or even moderate right politicians, political views and civilians as "far left". It's complete nonsense, no matter how many times they repeat it.

Wanting companies to pay tax is a moderate view, not far left.

Wanting healthcare for the public is a moderate view, not far left.

Wanting companies to obey laws is a moderate view, not far left.

Wanting democratic norms is a moderate view, not far left.

Wanting to counter a dictator who invades his democratic neighbours is a moderate view, not far left.

And on it goes.

You're pretty careful as to your choice of examples there.

What is unfettered immigration.......

What is providing 'on tap' medical care in migrant hotels when the rest of us wait weeks or months to see a GP..............

What is the alienation of the British public, of all colours and creeds.......

What is the perceived protection of certain groups, over and above other UK nationals because you're afraid of being called racist.......

What is the race to 'net zero' at enormous cost to the public, just about the only country to enact such drastic ambitions.............................

I also question your 'wanting democratic norms' because aspects of this government so far, are anything but democratic and have verged on dictatorial..........



I agree, wanting companies to pay taxes is what I'd call equitable rather than moderate, tax is the bugbear of any government, striking the balance is key. Get it right and you create jobs, get it wrong and rich people take their companies and those jobs, elsewhere and then you have to fund government from other pots, like pensions for example and pensioners bus passes are said to be in the cross hairs next.

There is also an issue between the generations in the UK with the young, seemingly envious of those who came before and the term 'boomer' is now a derogatory one. Look no further than the EU for many of the woes faced by our young which jobs going abroad and the country being flooded with cheap labour. The UK is no longer a power house of production, two generations, perhaps three, have overseen it's decline to becoming a low skill, low wage economy.

[Lullapie]

You're pretty careful as to your choice of examples there.

What is unfettered immigration.......

What is providing 'on tap' medical care in migrant hotels when the rest of us wait weeks or months to see a GP..............

What is the alienation of the British public, of all colours and creeds.......

What is the perceived protection of certain groups, over and above other UK nationals because you're afraid of being called racist.......

What is the race to 'net zero' at enormous cost to the public, just about the only country to enact such drastic ambitions.............................

I also question your 'wanting democratic norms' because aspects of this government so far, are anything but democratic and have verged on dictatorial..........



I agree, wanting companies to pay taxes is what I'd call equitable rather than moderate, tax is the bugbear of any government, striking the balance is key. Get it right and you create jobs, get it wrong and rich people take their companies and those jobs, elsewhere and then you have to fund government from other pots, like pensions for example and pensioners bus passes are said to be in the cross hairs next.

There is also an issue between the generations in the UK with the young, seemingly envious of those who came before and the term 'boomer' is now a derogatory one. Look no further than the EU for many of the woes faced by our young which jobs going abroad and the country being flooded with cheap labour. The UK is no longer a power house of production, two generations, perhaps three, have overseen it's decline to becoming a low skill, low wage economy.

This - fully agree - great post. I don't see anything other than moderate about your post Med Pie. They are the questions I'd be asking as a taxpayer.

[Lullapie]

showing my age here, but the terms "Far" left and "Far" right are confusing to me these days.

I did study IA and Politics as elements of my first degree at U of Nottm like decades ago (and very little since!), but then the Far Left was anti-democratic and didn't believe in the vote, wanted equal rights for all, and national ownership of most/all business - as well as international co-existence on similar themes.

The Far Right was also anti-democratic, supported the Nazis, racial segregation, hegemony, and individual ownership of the means of production, as well as unfettered National sovereignty (and National expansionism!) and the right to unlimited individual wealth.

I'm probably seriously beyond my shelf life politically, but I've only read examples of Far Right on here, and nothing that deviates from what I'd call centre left. Tell me I'm wrong!

I don't think anybody on here is anti-democratic.

Could you give examples to back your claim please?

I've been called far-right by some, but those that are name calling are that far 'west' on the political spectrum that far-right to them is probably somewhere between Tony Blair and Gordon Brown.