Sack Jimmy Turnip

[TheDeeDon]

I'm just glad that nobody is blaming me for starting the match threads.

We're having a meeting on your future arranged for the Grill at 12pm! Vintage is chairing it!

You're not getting off that easily and are right up alongside Steven Gunn in the blame stakes!

😂

[swaddon2]

We're having a meeting on your future arranged for the Grill at 12pm! Vintage is chairing it!

You're not getting off that easily and are right up alongside Steven Gunn in the blame stakes!

😂

You lot couldn't find a replacement for me when I offered to resign, so I think it's a fair bet I will be starting match threads in the 2025-26 season.

[TheDeeDon]

Why is Topi picking up their centre half at corners? Theyve either decided he was the best man for the job which is alarming, or they havent set up right in the first place. It?s so easy to fix. Were just handing them free goals and weve been doing it all season

Youre then asking the same players with zero confidence, to try and play football in their own half. Its ridiculously naive.

To stand any chance at all against these minks, you have to be disciplined, organised, mark people properly & get the ball up their end as quickly as possible. Pretty much everything we dont do

It's every team we do it against, but we suffer more against better players.

All season we have moaned about everyone back for corners and yet we are still weak as f*ck defending them.
Even if we clear the ball it usually comes back into the box as we have nobody up the field to do any chasing or hit them on a counter attack.

We can argue about structures at the club not being right, but tactical naivety is on the manager.

I'd be mightly p*ssed off being a player and being sent out to fail time and time again.

We are a fairly young side too with lots of nationalities trying to come to terms with our game.
I'd say they are getting chucked under the bus with our tactics.

[rico94]

Why is Topi picking up their centre half at corners? Theyve either decided he was the best man for the job which is alarming, or they havent set up right in the first place. It?s so easy to fix. Were just handing them free goals and weve been doing it all season

Youre then asking the same players with zero confidence, to try and play football in their own half. Its ridiculously naive.

To stand any chance at all against these minks, you have to be disciplined, organised, mark people properly & get the ball up their end as quickly as possible. Pretty much everything we dont do

Im not a tactical expert and my memory is not that great but in the last 25 years Im pretty sure out the 10 managers we have had in that time at least half of them have man marked at corners and not brought everyone back but we have still got rinsed from Celtic time and time again.

Im afraid it?s not as easy a fix as stopping zonal marking or leaving players up front and all of a sudden we will start beating Celtic.

[rico94]

It's every team we do it against, but we suffer more against better players.

All season we have moaned about everyone back for corners and yet we are still weak as f*ck defending them.
Even if we clear the ball it usually comes back into the box as we have nobody up the field to do any chasing or hit them on a counter attack.

We can argue about structures at the club not being right, but tactical naivety is on the manager.

I'd be mightly p*ssed off being a player and being sent out to fail time and time again.

We are a fairly young side too with lots of nationalities trying to come to terms with our game.
I'd say they are getting chucked under the bus with our tactics.

The bringing everyone one back for corners thing is exactly like last season when everyone moaned about Robson playing 3 at the back.

The players were getting chucked under the bus by Robson for playing with a back 3 which never works according to experts, ironically Hibs have sealed 3rd place by changing to a back 3.

Last night Nisbet and Knoester were right next to the Celtic defender at the corner but he still managed to score.

People can blame the managers for how they set up the team with tactics and formations but the players are as much to blame for not doing their jobs properly.

They are professional footballers who should be able to adapt to what the manager is instructing them to do, they are either not good enough or dont give a fvck or both.

[The_Moog]

The bringing everyone one back for corners thing is exactly like last season when everyone moaned about Robson playing 3 at the back.

The players were getting chucked under the bus by Robson for playing with a back 3 which never works according to experts, ironically Hibs have sealed 3rd place by changing to a back 3.

Last night Nisbet and Knoester were right next to the Celtic defender at the corner but he still managed to score.

People can blame the managers for how they set up the team with tactics and formations but the players are as much to blame for not doing their jobs properly.

They are professional footballers who should be able to adapt to what the manager is instructing them to do, they are either not good enough or dont give a fvck or both.

A back 3 works fine - if you have the right players to play it.

Look at the back 3 we had of Pollock, Scales and MacDonald - it was brilliant and turned our season around. We had the right players to play it, and a real big nasty hard unit in Pollock who threw himself at everything and never backed down ever - my god we need a guy like that just now.

MacDonald taken out of that setup was pretty useless. Its all about the right players in the right setup.

Our big problem seems to be we just dont have the players to play the system Thelin wants. Ok, there are still a lot of players here he didnt sign, but there are also lots he did and the issues we have seen all year like shyte defending at set pieces and shyte defending against simple long balls are all still there - and the defence is now almost entirely made up of his players.

He will bring in a bunch more in that summer, so the, "not his squad" excuse will no longer exist.

To be honest, he is 100% out of excuses right now.

[rico94]

A back 3 works fine - if you have the right players to play it.

Look at the back 3 we had of Pollock, Scales and MacDonald - it was brilliant and turned our season around. We had the right players to play it, and a real big nasty hard unit in Pollock who threw himself at everything and never backed down ever - my god we need a guy like that just now.

MacDonald taken out of that setup was pretty useless. Its all about the right players in the right setup.

Our big problem seems to be we just dont have the players to play the system Thelin wants. Ok, there are still a lot of players here he didnt sign, but there are also lots he did and the issues we have seen all year like shyte defending at set pieces and shyte defending against simple long balls are all still there - and the defence is now almost entirely made up of his players.

He will bring in a bunch more in that summer, so the, "not his squad" excuse will no longer exist.

To be honest, he is 100% out of excuses right now.

Thats fair enough moog, there a players in the squad that arent suited to how Thelin wants to play.

But a lot of them werent suited to play how Robson wanted to play or Warnock so what system are they suited to play?

I just dont think the squad is good enough and its been cobbled together by about 4 or 5 different managers through data from about 3 or 4 different head of recruitments.

[RED_JOHN]

Thats fair enough moog, there a players in the squad that arent suited to how Thelin wants to play.

The only problem being an awful lot are the ones that have been signed since he came in.
A terrible squad of players.
His system of playing is pathetic. ANY manager in our league who plays with 1 striker should get shot. Especially when the other 9 outfield players can?t defend to save themselves.
Jimmy Thelin is done. Removing him after the cup final is curtailing the inevitable. We are getting a doing in the final the way the team is going. Dundee United will certainly fancy their chances at the weekend.

[Mason89]

Im not a tactical expert and my memory is not that great but in the last 25 years Im pretty sure out the 10 managers we have had in that time at least half of them have man marked at corners and not brought everyone back but we have still got rinsed from Celtic time and time again.

Im afraid it?s not as easy a fix as stopping zonal marking or leaving players up front and all of a sudden we will start beating Celtic.

Im not saying it is. Im saying by bringing everyone back in the box theyre making it easier. You can only control what you can and man marking, leaving a player up & putting players on the posts makes it harder. Theyll still score off them from time to time but at least we wont have served it up to them in a wee bow

It?s the same with playing it out from the back. Its crazy. Its much easier to do a high press against poor footballers than it is for poor footballers to play their way though a high press.

[TheDeeDon]

Im not saying we should get rid of Cormack but to keep saying he is better than Milne so its pointless moaning about him is like saying Thelin is better than Stephen Glass so its pointless moaning about him.

Cormack has been mainly positive for the club overall and I say that as someone who isn't a huge fan of him.

The club is like night and day compared to the tenure of Milne.
I'd actually say we look a well run club from the outside.

Managers are fairly easy to replace (with mixed results) but Chairmen/Owners aren't quite so easy. Especially one that does give a sh*t about the club.

I don't know nothing about last years review and how it makes us better against Septic, Hun & St Mirren.

Last night was simply on the manager for me. One of the poorest displays I have witnessed from an Aberdeen team at Pittodrie and there are quite a lot to chose from.

I like Jimmy Thelin a lot and want him to succeed, but boy does he need a plan b and needs it badly.

I want every manager to succeed at Aberdeen, but they have to show us more than what we saw from him last night.

You expect managers to see the same thing we see from the stands and rectify the areas we are failing in.

We're maybe not experts, but we know enough to make comment on what we see

We know changing the personnel on the pitch isn't changing much, so we have to change our tactics/shape. Throw an extra body in midfield or defence, just do something to the stops teams picking us apart and losing soft goals.