O/T DDay for Brexit..well sort of...

[KerrAvon]

Do you think,hand on heart, that Parliament will allow that to happen?

Key question (come on! you can do it!): with May returning, shock horror, empty handed from Brussels and with her only deal on the table (you know, the one that you supported) being hugely defeated in the commons, what would you personally like to see happen now?

(I've answered this tonight and been up for the stick so why shouldn't you? (as ever, I know why you won't, and I think most boys and girls reading this do too!)) x

How do you suppose that Parliament can block a no deal exit? The power to do so is not in their hands.

You may recall getting very excited earlier in the thread and posting a link to a Guardian article that said that Labour were planning a move in Parliament to block a no deal outcome. I pointed out that it was impossible. What became of the Labour plan?

At the present time, UK law and the terms of our Article 50 notification says that we leave at 11 pm on 29th March. Neither specify that we are required to have deal for that to happen and when parliament passed the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 it passed a clause that became Section 20(4)(a) which reads:

A Minister of the Crown may by regulations amend the definition of “exit day” in subsection (1) to ensure that the day and time specified in the definition are the day and time that the Treaties are to cease to apply to the United Kingdom

In other words the government can alter the exit date but Parliament can’t (you will recall that Yvette Cooper’s attempt to introduce primary legislation to circumvent that little problemette failed). And even if we ask to extend to agree a deal, that would require the unanimous support of the other EU countries, some of which do little trade with the UK and are probably fed up of the whole thing (but, in reality, would probably bow to German pressure to agree). If we leave on the 29th March, parliament will either have agreed a deal or it won’t and there is only one deal on the table.

See above for what we should do now.

[Timbertop]

The Corbyn proposals are a bigger surrender and worse than the super soft Chequers deal. No wonder Tusk is now salivating at the prospect of these being adopted and there will be huge repercussions for Remainer May and the Conservative Party in general if she were to fall for this nonsense.

[millmoormagic]

The Corbyn proposals are a bigger surrender and worse than the super soft Chequers deal. No wonder Tusk is now salivating at the prospect of these being adopted and there will be huge repercussions for Remainer May and the Conservative Party in general if she were to fall for this nonsense.

You see that's the issue here, you're in favour of a no deal brexit yes? that would massively affect everything we do and everybody in the country, i'm not altogether sure that you and your fellow hard brexiter's actual realise what the reality is. Every financial expert has already told us what to expect....

Corbyn's deal takes us out but gives us a cushion against the worst of it, amazing though how Corbyn always manages to find the blame though isn't it, i wonder why that is, given he's had no input in any negotiation, or the referendum, or anything else that this country has gone through the past 9 years...

[KerrAvon]

You see that's the issue here, you're in favour of a no deal brexit yes? that would massively affect everything we do and everybody in the country, i'm not altogether sure that you and your fellow hard brexiter's actual realise what the reality is. Every financial expert has already told us what to expect....

Corbyn's deal takes us out but gives us a cushion against the worst of it, amazing though how Corbyn always manages to find the blame though isn't it, i wonder why that is, given he's had no input in any negotiation, or the referendum, or anything else that this country has gone through the past 9 years...

Corbyn voted for the referendum (and a failed attempt to get one in 2011). How do you say that he had no input in it?

As I understand it, Labour are now looking for Brexit in name only.

[millmoormagic]

He didn't call it, did he, no amount of politicking changes that fact and this deflection being carried out by yourself, and others, being influenced by the msm, is frankly pathetic.

[KerrAvon]

Parliament called the referendum when it enacted the European Union Referendum Act 2015. Corbyn is a member of Parliament and voted in favour of it. He then voted in favour of the European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Act 2017, which empowered the government to trigger Article 50.

Those are the facts, MMM, no matter how inconvenient for you.

Not sure where the media comes into it...

[Exiletyke]

Lots of moving parts but only one in reality

Just watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6pwZ1saqBc

[millmoormagic]

Parliament called the referendum when it enacted the European Union Referendum Act 2015. Corbyn is a member of Parliament and voted in favour of it. He then voted in favour of the European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Act 2017, which empowered the government to trigger Article 50.

Those are the facts, MMM, no matter how inconvenient for you.

Not sure where the media comes into it...

You can play politics with this as much as you want, he followed party policy, part of his role as an mp is to vote, one way or the other, if we're being pedantic do you want to post all the other things he's voted for or against, you know, like against the various wars, against just about every act that the tories have brought in punishing the poorest, what about those votes, that's the inconvenient thing for you and your ilk, isn't it....the fact is that without your boy Cameron calling the referendum then it wouldn't have taken place, fact, we wouldn't be in this absolute debacle crushing the country right now, fact, your party and it's right wing tendency is deliberatley forcing us down this route, and you're party to that.

[KerrAvon]

You can play politics with this as much as you want, he followed party policy, part of his role as an mp is to vote, one way or the other, if we're being pedantic do you want to post all the other things he's voted for or against, you know, like against the various wars, against just about every act that the tories have brought in punishing the poorest, what about those votes, that's the inconvenient thing for you and your ilk, isn't it....the fact is that without your boy Cameron calling the referendum then it wouldn't have taken place, fact, we wouldn't be in this absolute debacle crushing the country right now, fact, your party and it's right wing tendency is deliberatley forcing us down this route, and you're party to that.

And you aren’t playing politics when you try to brush Corbyn’s role in Brexit under the carpet? Lol.

So when you said that Corbyn had no input in the referendum what you meant is that he voted for it, but he was only following party policy? The party of which he was leader? How does that work for the 2011 vote when he rebelled against the Labour whip in a failed attempt to get a referendum?

Part of being an MP is indeed to vote. Cameron did not call the Referendum. He had no power to do so. Parliament did. Corbyn along with the majority of Parliament voted for the Referendum and to trigger Article 50. Which bits of that don't you get?

Stop digging, MMM. I get no pleasure from this.

[Exiletyke]

And you aren’t playing politics when you try to brush Corbyn’s role in Brexit under the carpet? Lol.

So when you said that Corbyn had no input in the referendum what you meant is that he voted for it, but he was only following party policy? The party of which he was leader? How does that work for the 2011 vote when he rebelled against the Labour whip in a failed attempt to get a referendum?

Part of being an MP is indeed to vote. Cameron did not call the Referendum. He had no power to do so. Parliament did. Corbyn along with the majority of Parliament voted for the Referendum and to trigger Article 50. Which bits of that don't you get?

Stop digging, MMM. I get no pleasure from this.

Are you for real Kerr
Cameron did not call the Referendum. [/Quote]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46891771


Speaking to the BBC as he headed off for a run as he headed off for a run on Wednesday morning, he said: "I hope she wins the vote tonight, I'm sure she will.

"I hope then that Parliament can come together and find an alternative partnership agreement with the European Union, that's the right way forward, that's what her deal was about last night and she has my support as she does this."

Asked if regretted calling the referendum, he said: "I don't regret calling the referendum - it was a promise I made two years before the 2015 general election - it was included in the manifesto, it was legislated for in parliament - six out of seven members of all parties voted for that referendum.

"Obviously I regret that we lost the referendum - I deeply regret that - I was leading the campaign to stay in the European Union and obviously I regret the difficulties and the problems we've been having trying to implement the result of that referendum.But I don't think it's going to be helped by me giving a running commentary.
Your boy certainly seems to prefer running