O/T DDay for Brexit..well sort of...

[great_fire]

Brexiteers certainly wouldn't have been as poor losers as the Remainers have been, there would have been some complaining no doubt for a month or two but not for 2 and a half frigging years non-stop!

[KerrAvon]

I think Leavers would have been just as bad. That's one of the reasons why I think a further referendum would be a bad idea. It would merely prolong the current arguments.

[millmoormagic]

Brexiteers certainly wouldn't have been as poor losers as the Remainers have been, there would have been some complaining no doubt for a month or two but not for 2 and a half frigging years non-stop!

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...b020461a1d5fd9

[ragingpup]

I’m saying I know a lot more than you.

In which case, a Yes or a No should come easily...

[Shark27]

I'll be honest, I voted to leave. I expected the vote to be remain but if remain would have won I would have lived the rest of my life knowing that we had the chance to leave and my countrymen (and women) wanted to stay in the EU. I would have respected that. I voted to leave thinking there would be some hardship but for the future of my country it would be a good thing. If I lost my job in the short term, so be it!!

Someone on question time (A remainer) was complaining that British manufacturing has been In decline for 40 years. Makes me wonder if there are any coincedences in that timescale??????

Why do we look at countries like Japan as some kind of powerhouse?

There are a lot of businessmen in their big factories telling us how leaving the EU is a disaster. Is that because their profits are going to drop from 20 million to 15 million, or maybe even 5 million? I can see why some of the Labour voting remainders want that, or maybe not????

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Whatever fudged package they come up with if the deal includes accepting free movement of EU nationals then there’s going to be big trouble to follow.

[ragingpup]

Whatever fudged package they come up with if the deal includes accepting free movement of EU nationals then there’s going to be big trouble to follow.

Whereas all this looks a breeze: https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ring-civilians

[animallittle3]

How can May negotiate a plan with? They are junktaposed, Corbyn wants to leave but has his strings pulled Starma who wants to stay and has invented his impossible test (which to pass them we have to remain) May wants to stay but is have her strings pulled by those who wants to leave.

All JC wants is an election which he would lose by a landslide ......we appear to be in the Shyte up to our necks without a plausible solution

The days of Tory landslides are long gone gm , not saying Labour would win with a majority either but neither would the Conservatives .

[KerrAvon]

So Kerr. No response, so I will summarise your position. Correct me if it is wrong.

You are not willing to see a compromise between May and Corbyn? You are not willing to explore, in order to avoid a No Deal, a compromise Softer Brexit which we could negotiate with the EU a different style of agreement, and to find out what bottom lines that such a negotiation could provide for us?

You would rather go straight to a No Deal? On the principle that the EU are now a competitor who will not allow us a say in future trade agreements, even though they stand to gain from tariff free trade from us as one of their biggest partners?

You are not willing to explore the compromise?

On this point of principle?

And as a result of this principle, you accept that there will be a substantial impact on business, that will cause many businesses to relocate to the EU and lose us a large number of jobs and revenues?

Yet, when a suggestion is put that a small increase in corporation tax on businesses, you argue incessantly about this being an extreme, lunatic, and dogmatic position.


Can you see the contradiction?


Game, set and match.

Lol. If you are as good at tennis as you are at political debate I can well understand why you would have to be the umpire as well as a player to win.

Your party voted for no deal when it joined with others to vote down the May deal and it's customs union backstop. Own that

I fear a no deal and the damage it would bring, but it is preferable to the damaging - half in half out - affront to democracy that a customs union solution represents.

I'm grateful for your tacit acknowledgement of the damaging nature of Labour's planned corporate tax rises. What you fail to note is the likely futility of them, with tax revenues either falling as companies quit the country or any increase being more than taken up by the need to make benefit payments to an increased number of the unemployed.

[ragingpup]

Lol. If you are as good at tennis as you are at political debate I can well understand why you would have to be the umpire as well as a player to win.

Your party voted for no deal when it joined with others to vote down the May deal and it's customs union backstop. Own that

I fear a no deal and the damage it would bring, but it is preferable to the damaging - half in half out - affront to democracy that a customs union solution represents.

I'm grateful for your tacit acknowledgement of the damaging nature of Labour's planned corporate tax rises. What you fail to note is the likely futility of them, with tax revenues either falling as companies quit the country or any increase being more than taken up by the need to make benefit payments to an increased number of the unemployed.

Fancy yourself as a debater do you?

Ok, please allow me to take apart just one of your arguments here:

"Your party voted for no deal when it joined with others to vote down the May deal"

Did the rejection of that deal mean that all other options were off the table and that it was the end of the process? Yes/No?

You see it's as simple as that darling?

That's why I use questions frequently to reveal huge holes in your arguments, which you then avoid answering. You still have 3 posts outstanding by the way.