Here Sturgeon, enough with the cover ups.

[Rangersmandownunder]

Not the only person you don't care about methinks.

My opinion on this won't make any difference to the bigger picture, but 120 posts on a thread on this board shows that this subject means a great deal to folk, some want it to be swept under the carpet because it is their church, some because they truly believe in the SNP and others simply find the subject matter uncomfortable when it is connected to their worlds, the fact is it is here and needs to be dealt with, we have kept this subject under wraps for far too long now and that has to end, we only allow the perpetrators to continue and the children to suffer.

It matters not to me what you believe my motivations are, but shutting down the voices who want to expose this wont make it go away.

[mogwaiCSC]

Why are you starting a thread on here posting an article from 4 months ago? And why are you being economical with the truth?

The Inquiry remit is

Children's homes (including residential care provided by faith based groups);
Secure care units including List D schools;
Borstals and Young Offenders' Institutions;
Places provided for Boarded Out children in the Highlands and Islands;
State, private and independent Boarding Schools, including state funded school hostels;
Healthcare establishments providing long term care, and any similar establishments intended to provide children with long term residential care.
Children in foster care.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-35535524


This includes Catholic Fort Augustus School near Inverness and the Nazareth House children’s home in Aberdeen


I wonder why you aren't jumping up and down about the boy scouts or boys brigade not being included?

It is clear the motive for posting this thread when you drop in 'sporting institutions'

I am more than happy to discuss the horrible abuser Torbett but everytime it happens on here Ed pulls the plug. Unfortunately it has been used to point score, shamefully bringing Jock Stein in to it. There are a number of unchallenged myths that have built around this because it isn't allowed to be discussed. On a factual note Celtic boys club was a club set up in the 1960s separate and independent of Celtic FC.

[Rangersmandownunder]

Why are you starting a thread on here posting an article from 4 months ago? And why are you being economical with the truth?

The Inquiry remit is

Children's homes (including residential care provided by faith based groups);
Secure care units including List D schools;
Borstals and Young Offenders' Institutions;
Places provided for Boarded Out children in the Highlands and Islands;
State, private and independent Boarding Schools, including state funded school hostels;
Healthcare establishments providing long term care, and any similar establishments intended to provide children with long term residential care.
Children in foster care.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-35535524


This includes Catholic Fort Augustus School near Inverness and the Nazareth House children’s home in Aberdeen


I wonder why you aren't jumping up and down about the boy scouts or boys brigade not being included?

It is clear the motive for posting this thread when you drop in 'sporting institutions'

I am more than happy to discuss the horrible abuser Torbett but everytime it happens on here Ed pulls the plug. Unfortunately it has been used to point score, shamefully bringing Jock Stein in to it. There are a number of unchallenged myths that have built around this because it isn't allowed to be discussed. On a factual note Celtic boys club was a club set up in the 1960s separate and independent of Celtic FC.

Your first point about the remit which you say I am being economical - This is taken from the Scottish governments terms of reference for the inquiry - "The term does not include: children living with their natural families; children living with members of their natural families, children living with adoptive families, children using sports and leisure clubs or attending faith based organisations on a day to day basis", ergo all religious institutions and their affiliated sporting organisations are omitted from the inquiry, my target was these organisations not Celtic. (I have already explained this)

Why hasn't those who wish to accuse me of bigotry or of being selective not read the first post correctly?

The call for the inquiry to be widened is by the victims of the Catholic church, "Another survivors' organisation, White Flowers Alba (WFA), said Catholic victims were being discriminated against because the O'Brien Inquiry had not been given the necessary powers to investigate allegations of abuse carried out in parishes or day schools."

I posted about the issue as it was a call from the victims accusing the SNP of being complicit in a cover up, the very same SNP that was taking up half of the posts on the board and who are very much the the topic of the day.

On the Celtic abuse thing, again I am not interested in discussing the Celtic boys club child abuse scandal on here, if mentioned the ed on this site bans folk for simply posting the abuser's name, you see I can't post his name but you can, this was proven as fact when I responded to being called a pedophile countless times over a two year period by the same poster and called him the convicted pedophile from Celtic boys club, I was wrong but it was simply childish name calling, I made no other accusations, I simply called him JT and was promptly banned, the editor of this site is happy to allow posters to call other posters as famous pedophiles but not as the Celtic boys club monster, you will have to ask him why pedophile is OK yet another is sacrosanct.

Every person having a problem with my target (the Catholic church) has retorted what about the Protestant affiliated organisations, even though the widening of the inquiry would see all of these organisations included in the same way, you see me asking to have the inquiry widened to include the Catholic church was because that is where my original post and the key to this issue comes from, the victims.

Are these victims not allowed to see justice because they are Catholic as that is what I seem to be getting told from all the folk shouting me down, can I add you to that list?

[Rangersmandownunder]

"THE EXCLUSION of the Catholic Church and other religious institutions from the Scottish Child Abuse Inquiry has prompted heavy crticism from survivors' groups."




What were the other religious institutions that were excluded from the inquiry?



My take on this whole hundred post thread, it was started by a Hun, and the Huns have been nothing but ecstatic over any child abuse that is linked to Celtic or the catholic church, ( Torbett towers anyone )of course they'll pretend that they are only posting because of the children but that's a loads of *******s, they love it, they use it as a stick to try and beat Celtic fans with, even though they might not even be Catholics or have any links to Celtic boys club, the Protestant church along with the Jewish church is rife with child abuse apparently, but I have never heard one of them lay the same blame as they do at the door of the rotten catholic church. 😐

You may wish to sign the petition set up by father Gerry Magee, you see he is saying the same as me that it is the Catholic victims that are being refused their right to justice.

"The SCOTTISH government are refusing to listen to ALL Survivors of Child abuse. The government are not allowing organisations such as Nurseries, Sports Clubs and the Roman Catholic Church to form part of their Enquiry. This is quite wrong, unfair and unjust; especially in view of the fact that other parts of the United Kingdom act comprehensively in their overall remit to enquire into all child abuse. Abuse is Abuse no matter where it happened, it's not a 'postcode lottery'. Please show that you care for survivors of child abuse."

https://www.change.org/p/gerry-magee...se-in-scotland

[Taintedice]

Still no condemnation from rolf on other organisations being kept out of the enquiry. Maybe tomorrow.

[mogwaiCSC]

Your first point about the remit which you say I am being economical - This is taken from the Scottish governments terms of reference for the inquiry - "The term does not include: children living with their natural families; children living with members of their natural families, children living with adoptive families, children using sports and leisure clubs or attending faith based organisations on a day to day basis", ergo all religious institutions and their affiliated sporting organisations are omitted from the inquiry, my target was these organisations not Celtic. (I have already explained this)

Why hasn't those who wish to accuse me of bigotry or of being selective not read the first post correctly?

The call for the inquiry to be widened is by the victims of the Catholic church, "Another survivors' organisation, White Flowers Alba (WFA), said Catholic victims were being discriminated against because the O'Brien Inquiry had not been given the necessary powers to investigate allegations of abuse carried out in parishes or day schools."

I posted about the issue as it was a call from the victims accusing the SNP of being complicit in a cover up, the very same SNP that was taking up half of the posts on the board and who are very much the the topic of the day.

On the Celtic abuse thing, again I am not interested in discussing the Celtic boys club child abuse scandal on here, if mentioned the ed on this site bans folk for simply posting the abuser's name, you see I can't post his name but you can, this was proven as fact when I responded to being called a pedophile countless times over a two year period by the same poster and called him the convicted pedophile from Celtic boys club, I was wrong but it was simply childish name calling, I made no other accusations, I simply called him JT and was promptly banned, the editor of this site is happy to allow posters to call other posters as famous pedophiles but not as the Celtic boys club monster, you will have to ask him why pedophile is OK yet another is sacrosanct.

Every person having a problem with my target (the Catholic church) has retorted what about the Protestant affiliated organisations, even though the widening of the inquiry would see all of these organisations included in the same way, you see me asking to have the inquiry widened to include the Catholic church was because that is where my original post and the key to this issue comes from, the victims.

Are these victims not allowed to see justice because they are Catholic as that is what I seem to be getting told from all the folk shouting me down, can I add you to that list?

That is factually incorrect. Any children under the care of religious organisations in a residential capacity is included. Children attending day programmes isn't. The inquiry is about children in care. Stop spinning a lie.

[mogwaiCSC]

You may wish to sign the petition set up by father Gerry Magee, you see he is saying the same as me that it is the Catholic victims that are being refused their right to justice.

"The SCOTTISH government are refusing to listen to ALL Survivors of Child abuse. The government are not allowing organisations such as Nurseries, Sports Clubs and the Roman Catholic Church to form part of their Enquiry. This is quite wrong, unfair and unjust; especially in view of the fact that other parts of the United Kingdom act comprehensively in their overall remit to enquire into all child abuse. Abuse is Abuse no matter where it happened, it's not a 'postcode lottery'. Please show that you care for survivors of child abuse."

https://www.change.org/p/gerry-magee...se-in-scotland

Child abuse is a serious topic and one I have personally campaigned on for a long time. I remember in the late 80s being part of a Barnardos lobby for the creation of a *** offenders register, something denied by Thatcher, as she said it wasn't needed. Thankfully the labour government introduced one in 1997 when they came to power and society treats child abuse far more seriously now.

What I am not going to do is be taken in by your disingenuous interest in this topic.

[Rangersmandownunder]

Child abuse is a serious topic and one I have personally campaigned on for a long time. I remember in the late 80s being part of a Barnardos lobby for the creation of a *** offenders register, something denied by Thatcher, as she said it wasn't needed. Thankfully the labour government introduced one in 1997 when they came to power and society treats child abuse far more seriously now.

What I am not going to do is be taken in by your disingenuous interest in this topic.

Like my answer to the rest on here I really don't care what you think my motivations are, you simply see that I am a Rangers fan on a football message board and deduct, (wrongly) that I am sticking the boot into Celtic via the Catholic church, when the fact of this thread is it is the Catholic victims who are calling for the inquiry to be widened and claiming that the SNP are complicit in covering this up.

[Rangersmandownunder]

That is factually incorrect. Any children under the care of religious organisations in a residential capacity is included. Children attending day programmes isn't. The inquiry is about children in care. Stop spinning a lie.

So why are the Catholic victims complaining and father Magee petitioning?

[mogwaiCSC]

So why are the Catholic victims complaining and father Magee petitioning?

Look the Scottish government announced they would hold an inquiry in to child abuse in care. They then listened to submissions that highlighted the parameters of what defines residential care. So it was expanded to include children for instance residing in hospital and foster care.

The victims of child abuse are of course perfectly entitled to call for a wider inquiry and for what it is worth I think they are correct.

You on the other hand have an entirely different motive, starting a thread on a football MB posting a 4th month old article and spouting exactly where you are coming from

Kafflik church and sporting institutions omitted from this inquiry, the SNP's special relationship with the leaders of this vile cult making sure their electorate is looked after, utterly reprehensible behaviour by the first minister.

Please don't try and pretend you have some deep concern for victims of child abuse. It is indeed deplorable that you try to hide behind this when your motives are completely transparent. This subject matter is to important for your cheap games.