OT another terrorist attack.

[Ellis_D]

Good question. I have as it happens, and they know where I stand on it and why. They totally understand it, and the couple we were out with last night were talking about the importance of letting their kids make their own minds up when old enough. They are bringing them up with the muslim faith but quite prepared to accept that the kids might choose differently as they get older and move through school with their mixed and non faith friends. I know you have differences with Kerr (and me now apparently) but I think he's right that our more secular society and its presence in schools is very powerful and teachers are mostly all very good at highlighting the differences between faiths and non faiths. Most of them have 'done uni' and are, unlike us old fools'very progressive. This is a great leveller of faith /non faith as kids, in all their radicalism grow into critical adults. They don't indulge and swallow the same crap wholesale that we more poisonous elders like to peddle. And that's great. True that religious schools are a barrier that we should aim to outlaw (in our opinion). Deal with your other new points later

Fair enough, they sound like good people. If only all religious people didn't try to force their religion upon their children, the UK would become a much better place.

I have a friend, well a friend on Facebook who I sometimes speak to anyway, who was raised as a Jeohavah's Witness. I remember her at school and the way she was. She thought the rest of use were going to Hell, I remember her telling us all. Anyway, through several conversations I have had with her, she now realises she was brainwashed. It was forced upon her. As she got older she educated herself and realised that it was all rubbish.

Because of this, and because she decided she no longer believed in God, her mum disowned her. She never went to her wedding, and has never met her two beautiful grandchildren. Her loss. But it just goes to show that the lies we are taught in school about God and religion can absolutely destroy families when the truth is told. This is a reason why we should have no religious schools and why children should ALL be educated properly.

[Exiletyke]

Fair enough, they sound like good people. If only all religious people didn't try to force their religion upon their children, the UK would become a much better place.

I have a friend, well a friend on Facebook who I sometimes speak to anyway, who was raised as a Jeohavah's Witness. I remember her at school and the way she was. She thought the rest of use were going to Hell, I remember her telling us all. Anyway, through several conversations I have had with her, she now realises she was brainwashed. It was forced upon her. As she got older she educated herself and realised that it was all rubbish.

Because of this, and because she decided she no longer believed in God, her mum disowned her. She never went to her wedding, and has never met her two beautiful grandchildren. Her loss. But it just goes to show that the lies we are taught in school about God and religion can absolutely destroy families when the truth is told. This is a reason why we should have no religious schools and why children should ALL be educated properly.

I had exactly the same experience when I found there was no Father Christmas
Traumatised

[ragingpup]

Incredible, despite me already replying to you on this subject yesterday and making it clear that I'm not interested one way or another whether someone wants to say a blessing to an animal before slaughtering it, for religious purpose or otherwise, and that that would make NO DIFFERENCE to me whether I would buy it or eat it, you are still going on about it as though I have an issue with it.

After a promising start on here you seem to have fallen into the category of leftist tosser who rather than reading what someone says, just makes things up to make them fit into their view of what a far right Nazi would really think, and twists other things to suit the agenda. Which is a shame.

Oh, and by the way, I haven't lived in Rotherham since I was about one and a half years old.

Maybe at cross purposes then. I thought you was concerned specifically about animal welfare and specifically about how non stunned animals are killed. Hence my recommendation about checking out regular meat products as well as Hal al. Re your other post about rspca recommendation for stunned I've already said that if go along with push for stunned only killing. I insist on this with my own and my daughters school. However, if you research in more depth it is not as simple as the rspca make out and many (veggies and vegans) do have issues with it as there is no proof that a stunned animal doesn't feel the pain any less. However, as I said the rspca position is the best we have at the moment

[ragingpup]

Muslims and hiding behind the fact that 'its a religion not a race'. Not acceptable and as said to Exile been covered on here enough on the semantic differences.



You have said no such thing to me
& because it's been covered on here enough you think you can close the coversation & take the moral highground & take on this dismissive attitude It's no wonder you like Kerr
Political correctness dictates far too much & particularly in the workplace,ask Rotherham Council

I could see where the discussion was about to take us and as it had been covered before (the 'is it racism to generalize that all Muslims are x?') and we are unlikely to change stance I instead asked what for me is a more interesting question about how your Muslim friend reacts when you tell her that you think that all Muslims have little regard for human life. That's all I was thinking. I wasn't shutting anything down, just pursuing something more new and interesting. What do you want to do? Shall we go over that 'is it racist to call all Muslims x?' argument? Is that what you want? Quite happy to do that but we could just read over old posts?

[Exiletyke]

I could see where the discussion was about to take us and as it had been covered before (the 'is it racism to generalize that all Muslims are x?') and we are unlikely to change stance I instead asked what for me is a more interesting question about how your Muslim friend reacts when you tell her that you think that all Muslims have little regard for human life. That's all I was thinking. I wasn't shutting anything down, just pursuing something more new and interesting. What do you want to do? Shall we go over that 'is it racist to call all Muslims x?' argument? Is that what you want? Quite happy to do that but we could just read over old posts?

Muslims and hiding behind the fact that 'its a religion not a race'. Not acceptable and as said to Exile been covered on here enough on the semantic differences.



You said no such thing to me but now you say you could see which way the discussion was about to take us [A clairvoyant as well]
Not quite the same thing is it?
Kerr would be proud of you
Talking of clairvoyance I think you doubt that I have a Muslim friend

[Acido]

You said no such thing to me but now you say you could see which way the discussion was about to take us [A clairvoyant as well]. Not quite the same thing is it ?
Kerr would be proud of you. Talking of clairvoyance I think you doubt that I have a Muslim friend.

Give it up as a bad job Exile, because most of the time the 'left side' wont budge either when it comes to debates on this subject.

[ragingpup]

Muslims and hiding behind the fact that 'its a religion not a race'. Not acceptable and as said to Exile been covered on here enough on the semantic differences.



You said no such thing to me but now you say you could see which way the discussion was about to take us [A clairvoyant as well]
Not quite the same thing is it?
Kerr would be proud of you
Talking of clairvoyance I think you doubt that I have a Muslim friend

Not clairvoyant - just sadly predictable.

Exile - you can argue the toss about whether saying "I don't think that they are too bothered about bringing unnecessary suffering to humans let alone animals" about ALL Muslims isn't racist.

Are you claiming that you are in the right by saying this? That it is acceptable?

And why won't you answer my very civilised question about what your Muslim friend says when you say this to her?

[Exiletyke]

Not clairvoyant - just sadly predictable.

Exile - you can argue the toss about whether saying "I don't think that they are too bothered about bringing unnecessary suffering to humans let alone animals" about ALL Muslims isn't racist.

Are you claiming that you are in the right by saying this? That it is acceptable?

And why won't you answer my very civilised question about what your Muslim friend says when you say this to her?

It might pay you to read before you go off on your crusade to accuse me or anyone else of being racist

This is what I have said on this thread

1 I don't think that they are too bothered about bringing unnecessary suffering to humans let alone animals post 146



2 I too have a friend who is Muslim & I can tell you that she is a lovely person who has just along with many others finished Ramadan
She did not eat or drink anything during daylight hours & by the end of this practice was quite unwell Don't think she was allowed a paracetamol for her blinding headache & I saw her looking pretty poorly
For what? post 148

3 Many Catholics follow the principle of no contraception [artificial] & go through a lifetime of poverty with too many children for them to support but I presume you will accuse me of further racism
So any religion, creed, faith or whatever label you wish to put on it that preaches such idiocy & inflicts such unnecessary hardship on fellow humans can't be right now can it post 150


My references have been to the hardship she has been subjected to by fellow Muslims [leaders of the faith Imams, Ayatollahs etc] & what the hell is racist about that
She follows this fasting belief because she has been brought up to do so & that's religion for you

[Exiletyke]

BTW ragingpup have I understood your assertion that you are a Head teacher?

[ragingpup]

It might pay you to read before you go off on your crusade to accuse me or anyone else of being racist

This is what I have said on this thread

1 I don't think that they are too bothered about bringing unnecessary suffering to humans let alone animals post 146



2 I too have a friend who is Muslim & I can tell you that she is a lovely person who has just along with many others finished Ramadan
She did not eat or drink anything during daylight hours & by the end of this practice was quite unwell Don't think she was allowed a paracetamol for her blinding headache & I saw her looking pretty poorly
For what? post 148

3 Many Catholics follow the principle of no contraception [artificial] & go through a lifetime of poverty with too many children for them to support but I presume you will accuse me of further racism
So any religion, creed, faith or whatever label you wish to put on it that preaches such idiocy & inflicts such unnecessary hardship on fellow humans can't be right now can it post 150


My references have been to the hardship she has been subjected to by fellow Muslims [leaders of the faith Imams, Ayatollahs etc] & what the hell is racist about that
She follows this fasting belief because she has been brought up to do so & that's religion for you

I understand points 2 and 3. We are all brought up with values that we choose to either follow or shed or adults. I understand that parents pass on religious values to their kids and I also would like it if kids were presented with backgrounds of all religions as well as atheist options at home and at school (our schools nationally do very well with this and this will be a major factor in 'disengaging' Muslim kids from their religion as it has done in the last 100 odd years with our own national religions).

My only beef was, as I keep saying, your statement that "I don't think that they are too bothered about bringing unnecessary suffering to humans let alone animals" post 146. From my point of view, it portrays all Muslims, including my family friends and your friend as savage, unfeeling, vicious people.

Is that how you really feel?

And I ask again, how does your Muslim friend respond when you say this to her?