D Day for Brexit

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I have read with great interest all of your meanderings and differences of opinion. Mostly articulate and well thought out, but the reality is we voted to LEAVE, without any sort of consensus hard Brexit it is!

[sinkov]

I have read with great interest all of your meanderings and differences of opinion. Mostly articulate and well thought out, but the reality is we voted to LEAVE, without any sort of consensus hard Brexit it is!

I'm sure some sort of a deal will be cobbled together, quite possibly at the last moment. The EU have started talking about no deal, bollox, it's a smokescreen, what will be concentrating their minds is the 40 billion euros that will slip through their fingers if they don't agree a deal. No deal and no 40 billion is simply not an option for the EU, but they won't tell you that.

[sinkov]

I'm sure some sort of a deal will be cobbled together, quite possibly at the last moment. The EU have started talking about no deal, bollox, it's a smokescreen, what will be concentrating their minds is the 40 billion euros that will slip through their fingers if they don't agree a deal. No deal and no 40 billion is simply not an option for the EU, but they won't tell you that.

Been doing quite a bit of reading this last couple of days, since the EU suddenly and mysteriously started talking 'no deal', trying to ascertain what was the thinking behind this change of emphasis in Brussels. I said above they do not want a 'no deal' under any circumstances, which is 100% correct, but I'm beginning to think the deal they will be offering instead at the last minute won't be the trade deal I was thinking it would be.

I did wonder why there were so many of our Parliamentarian traitors sloping off to Brussels for cosy little chats with Barnier and Juncker, what on earth could they be talking about ? I think I know now. Around the same time, more and more traitors in this country began a second Project Fear, about the dangers of 'no deal', and pressing for another referendum with the option of staying in the EU. Traitors like Matthew Parris and others are openly discussing the possibilty of totally ignoring the referendum, and suggesting the EU might have us back, he thinks we could be accepted back on our current terms.

I can see what's happening here, the EU will stonewall, they will not under any circumstances agree to a trade deal, Project Fear will be ramped up, with ludicrous stories about the dire fate that will befall us should we leave without a trade deal, did you notice that fatuous claim from the EU's sock puppet in Dublin, that our planes wouldn't be able to fly over Ireland, expect much more idiotic drivel like that, and then, at the last minute, when they hope the entire nation will be trembling at the thought of 'crashing out without a deal' as the traitors like to call it, and trading under WTO rules, will come the EU offer, but it won't be a trade deal like I originally thought, it will be an offer for us to stay in the EU.

That's what the slimeball traitors are up to with their EU paymasters. Mark my words.

[1959_60]

Woah Sinkov.

You are right, the EU certainly want a deal.

But Boris, Rees-Mogg etc don't.

And they will make sure that there isn't one. No way will the Tory party agree to any concessions and no way will the EU accept Theresa's deal. So I believe we will leave in March with no deal.

Result? The Tory party will never be the same again. The moderates will jump ship.

The country will be up in arms. Only a minority voted for, and agree with, a no deal crash-out Brexit.

Boris etc claim that 17 million people voted for his version.

You claim that 17 million people voted for your version.

Theresa and her mates claim that her offer is supported by 17 million people.

Go figure.

[sinkov]

You do have some weird and wonderful ideas 59/60, you seem to exist in a parallel universe, more treacle swimming but I'll try yet again. 17 million people voted to leave the EU, do I really have to keep repeating this, that means leaving the customs union, single msrket, ending the jurisdiction of the European Court, taking back control of our borders and territorial waters, ending ending payments to the EU etc, and negotiating a free trade deal with them.

It's simple really, why do you have such difficulty understanding this ? When has anyone on the Leave side said they don't want a free trade deal ? It was the policy of all the Leave groups, it's been in all May's speeches, we wanted to discuss a free trade deal right from the start, alongside the withdrawal agreement, but the EU flatly refused to negotiate until the WA was agreed, so a year when we could have been negotiating a trade deal was wasted thanks to EU intransigence. It was this refusal to negotiate that Trump said we could sue them for. There has been no offer of a trade deal at all from them yet. Just nit picking and intransigence.

Your ignorance on this whole process is astonishing, what on earth makes you say Boris and the Mogg don't want a free trade deal, it's not the BBC and Grauniad again is it ?







What planet are you currently living on, it's not this one. It was the po

[1959_60]

Good grief Sinkov - you are hard work.

You state, "Incidentally, it's not my way, seems like we're back in that barrel of treacle. I'll try once more, check out May's Lancaster House speech, that's what 17 million people voted for, that's what I would like to see delivered." (your post number 161)

That is nonsense and you know it.

Plenty of people voted for the complete break Brexit.
Plenty of people wanted to leave - but with a much softer option.
Plenty of people believe in other kinds of Brexits.
Brexit has no simple straightforward meaning that all Quitters can sign up to

So that cuts down your 17 million dramatically. Is there a majority of Quitters who support your preferred option? Perhaps you can back up this claim with evidence?

From what I can see there are several forms of Brexit that are supported by the Quitters - but I can't see mass support for a specific one.

On the other hand, 16.1 million decided to vote remain - without any different types of remain.

If we leave it to Parliament it will be decided by who shouts loudest - and Boris/Rees Mogg will win hands down.

I predict we sever all ties in 8 months.

[Supersub6]

Your post 1959_60 is eactly the reason I said what I did in post 136 and I do look forward to the continued discontent which will pervade whatever happens :-

What I am waiting for is the final severance and to see the divided reception that this well bring.
Will the majority who voted to leave say that this is exactly what they wanted --I think not.
Will the majority of those who lost the vote and wished to remain be happy with the deal or no deal scenario ----I think not.
Will the majority of those who could not be bothered to vote either way be happy ----I think not.

[1959_60]

That's the problem in a nutshell Supersub.

Whatever the Government agree to it will alienate the majority of the public and it will rumble on and on and on...

Leaving the decision to the people is the only way to bring a modicum of order - although Theresa has ruled this out.

[Supersub6]

That's the problem in a nutshell Supersub.

Whatever the Government agree to it will alienate the majority of the public and it will rumble on and on and on...

Leaving the decision to the people is the only way to bring a modicum of order - although Theresa has ruled this out.

The people decided that they want to leave, There is no point now in going back to the people because they are probably more divided than they were before. If the people decided that they don't like the terms then what is the next course of action?
You can guarantee that we have plenty of obligations which we will be expected to fulfil and you can also guarantee that, should we not fulfil those outstanding obligations, the rest of the world will be advised that we cannot be trusted.
As I have said from the start ---what a mess!

[oldcolner]

That's the problem in a nutshell Supersub.

Whatever the Government agree to it will alienate the majority of the public and it will rumble on and on and on...

Leaving the decision to the people is the only way to bring a modicum of order - although Theresa has ruled this out.

You put too much trust in your own theories. What makes you think asking the people will solve everything. I doubt it would solve anything and as I have said to you several times you need at least 50% of the people to agree so only two questions. It seems you want to offer Brexit a Brexit b and Brexit c versus remaining. Sorry that’s not on.

Of course the EU want a deal, but they want all the favours, leaving us with little of what we want and paying over the odds for it. That’s not my idea of an acceptable deal and all this scaremongering just hardens my resolve to leave asap.