ground renting

[DBDU]

I’d be all for groundsharing to be honest - on a couple of conditions obviously.

First and foremost the playing surface needs to be able to withstand the extra punishment! Secondly it has to be 100% a joint venture so neutral seat colours etc. I know most of you (and rightly so) have a deep emotional attachment to Tannadice but for me a new stadium would likely be a significant upgrade in terms of facilities and potential revenue. We would need to find a clever way of maximising the atmosphere in any new build and not have a soulless open stadium like McDiarmid or Inverness. Want to make any new build intimidating like tannadice can be or like tynecastle.

100%

[Returnofrros]

I’d be all for groundsharing to be honest - on a couple of conditions obviously.

First and foremost the playing surface needs to be able to withstand the extra punishment! Secondly it has to be 100% a joint venture so neutral seat colours etc. I know most of you (and rightly so) have a deep emotional attachment to Tannadice but for me a new stadium would likely be a significant upgrade in terms of facilities and potential revenue. We would need to find a clever way of maximising the atmosphere in any new build and not have a soulless open stadium like McDiarmid or Inverness. Want to make any new build intimidating like tannadice can be or like tynecastle.

I don't see how it can be a joint venture between clubs when this has pretty much zilch to do with DFC apart from being a tennant.

If there was any kind of joint venture it would be between owners and owners.

DFC will get whatever the yanks decide, they might be generous they might very well be not.

The only thing I cud see utd getting out of it is joint tennant of shiny new ground and id assume zero maintenance but even that's not guaranteed.

And utd would have the same problem as DFC would when the yanks sell up......what happens to lease and does any funding that comes DFC way from the other bits and bobs stop.

Anyway 10 to 20% chance of it being built.

[DBDU]

I don't see how it can be a joint venture between clubs when this has pretty much zilch to do with DFC apart from being a tennant.

If there was any kind of joint venture it would be between owners and owners.

DFC will get whatever the yanks decide, they might be generous they might very well be not.

The only thing I cud see utd getting out of it is joint tennant of shiny new ground and id assume zero maintenance but even that's not guaranteed.

And utd would have the same problem as DFC would when the yanks sell up......what happens to lease and does any funding that comes DFC way from the other bits and bobs stop.

Anyway 10 to 20% chance of it being built.

It doesn't have to be a joint venture and id say given the amount of work it has already taken to get to this point it wouldn't be a Joint venture.

Even if none of the revenue streams that could be externally generated come to us that's not to say it still wouldn't make financial sense to share the stadium.

By looks of it there will be training facilities attached doing away with the need for the St Andrews base that must cost us a pretty penny plus the running costs of the stadium would be halved, again saving us a considerable amount of cash over a season .
We would have a brand new , fit for purpose modern stadium .

Final point how do you know there's only a 10-20% chance this will happen ?
Are we to believe that multi-millionaire businessmen would go to this much bother over the curse of near on a decade just for something to do if they didn't intend or believe it was a very real possibility of happening ?

[tHeArAb]

There's a very good chance the stadium goes ahead. There is also a state-of-the-art training facility being planned for elsewhere in the city. As said above, those involved aren't going to go to the lengths that they have, if there was a 10%-20% chance of it happening.

[tHeArAb]

Moving into another teams 'already designed' stadium would never be a joint venture.

[Returnofrros]

It doesn't have to be a joint venture and id say given the amount of work it has already taken to get to this point it wouldn't be a Joint venture.

Even if none of the revenue streams that could be externally generated come to us that's not to say it still wouldn't make financial sense to share the stadium.

By looks of it there will be training facilities attached doing away with the need for the St Andrews base that must cost us a pretty penny plus the running costs of the stadium would be halved, again saving us a considerable amount of cash over a season .
We would have a brand new , fit for purpose modern stadium .

Final point how do you know there's only a 10-20% chance this will happen ?
Are we to believe that multi-millionaire businessmen would go to this much bother over the curse of near on a decade just for something to do if they didn't intend or believe it was a very real possibility of happening ?

Fair points on cost savings ( never thought about St Andrews) but to me that's an incredibly hard ( if not impossible) sell to utd fans.

They haven't been working on it for a decade, I reckon around 3 to 4 years worth of work......only owned the land for 8.

10 to 20% is just how I see it......I thought zero chance 6 months ago.

It was just pointing out this is NOT a DFC venture, it's an FPS venture......and it wouldn't be a DUFC venture either.

I think they believe it's a possibility but so many obstacles to overcome and the August 25 timeframe is just ridiculous.

[cybershed]

I would hate us to move into some soulless stadium on the outskirts of the city.

Not that worried tho. It will never happen. I wouldn't be surprised if Dundee fans would rather stay put and see Dens upgraded with any investment money that's available.

Dens covers a large area and a new stand and facilities at each side would easily bring it up to date.

I like the fact that we have 2 professional clubs that share a street. I hope the city never loses that.

[ROMA84]

My original post was about renting Tannadice, not sharing it. There are still lots of questions and debate to happen in the coming few years.
Lots of talk about us becoming shared tenants at new campy, how would this be financed, would the yankee owners use the bnbs and ourselves to finance their ambitions. Who would bennefit fron this. When the dundee American owners want to sell up and move on where does this leave us, if we are tenants. How can 2 professional teams share admin,training facilities, commercial. As I asked, would you like our owners to have them as tenants playing at Tannadice, having limited access?

[Stoke_Arab]

I would hate us to move into some soulless stadium on the outskirts of the city.

Not that worried tho. It will never happen. I wouldn't be surprised if Dundee fans would rather stay put and see Dens upgraded with any investment money that's available.

Dens covers a large area and a new stand and facilities at each side would easily bring it up to date.

I like the fact that we have 2 professional clubs that share a street. I hope the city never loses that.

That's not in the Texans plans though. They're hoping to make big money off a new mixed development.

Canny see the Foo Fighters playing there though 😃

[tHeArAb]

It's Campy or nothing. They'll make money from Campy, no doubt. They'll make absolutely nothing by investing in Dens, therefore won't.