O/T:- Forest Crying (Again)

[1955pie]

Sorry about the duplication folks. No idea how that happened.

[BigFatPie]

It’s nowhere near that simple, VAR is a tool that’s sucking the life out of the game. It’s killing it to the extent that if it ever appeared at our level I would seriously consider calling it a day. Refereeing errors have been part and parcel of the game since the first ball was kicked, but they are honest errors. The margins are very fine and you need lines on a computer screen to decide, and even then it’s not always conclusive. It completely ruins the spontaneity that makes the game special.

And I said exactly the same after we were robbed against Coventry.

It seems to work much better in euros and the World Cup than it does here, I’ve no idea how they seem to pull it off better than the PL manages.

I never wanted any technology near the game, the PL version of var is exactly how I thought it would turn out. Keep tech to offsides and the goal line, if they did that maybe it could then be extended to all 5 top divisions. Nothing will ever stop the likes of the clowns who run Forest from whining about refs though.

[Lullapie]

It’s nowhere near that simple, VAR is a tool that’s sucking the life out of the game. It’s killing it to the extent that if it ever appeared at our level I would seriously consider calling it a day. Refereeing errors have been part and parcel of the game since the first ball was kicked, but they are honest errors. The margins are very fine and you need lines on a computer screen to decide, and even then it’s not always conclusive. It completely ruins the spontaneity that makes the game special.

And I said exactly the same after we were robbed against Coventry.

It works reasonably well in Rugby. You do get the odd bad decision, but generally it isn't too bad. Football has made it into a farce though and throughout the world, has opened up even more levels of corruption.

There was a big thing here in New Zealand in the 2022 World Cup play offs in Qatar when New Zealand equalised against Costa Rica. The VAR went back over a minute of play to find something that could have been called a foul and disallowed the goal. New Zealanders only complain about rugby stuff that goes against them, but watching that game, you could sense something was wrong with the officiating.

The biggest error we can make, is to believe that there's no-one that can't be corrupted by money, blackmail or allegiance. Sport is probably worse today than it has ever been.

[BigFatPie]

Interesting thing about how var has affected each club’s fortunes. Forest aren’t hard done to after all;

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/stor...e-club-2023-24

[jackal2]

They weren’t accusing the officials of making mistakes, they accused an official of deliberately acting against them because he supports one of their rivals in the table. Then a day later realised they’d gone far too far and started massively backsliding.

Hence my caveat 'even if the tweet itself was emotional'.

The problem is, when you see mistakes as blatant and ridiculous as at least two of those three decisions, it beggars belief/credibility that an official at that level could genuinely be that inept - twice! - without some more malevolent explanation.

For the sake of the integrity of the game I have to hope it really was just extreme incompetence and not manipulation, but that conclusion then underpins my subsequent observation that football's officials /administrators are doing more to damage the reputation of the game than anyone bold enough to call them out on such incompetence.

It’s been Maranakis MO for years in Greece to accuse officials of bias and corruption, usually getting away with it because he’s a more important figure there than he is here. He’s a huge man baby who cries and screams when he doesn’t get want he wants and the biggest mistake the football authorities have made was ever letting him near one of our clubs because it won’t end well.

I agree with you, but it only goes to reiterate again what I've said above. When you see multiple decisions as blatantly wrong as the ones in that game, it serves as ammunition for those who would allege corruption, whether they're right or not. I'm not a fan of Forest and certainly not a defender of Marinakis, but the football authorities are giving him (and others like him) so much material to work with that frankly they deserve what they get.

[maddogslater]

It’s nowhere near that simple, VAR is a tool that’s sucking the life out of the game. It’s killing it to the extent that if it ever appeared at our level I would seriously consider calling it a day. Refereeing errors have been part and parcel of the game since the first ball was kicked, but they are honest errors. The margins are very fine and you need lines on a computer screen to decide, and even then it’s not always conclusive. It completely ruins the spontaneity that makes the game special.

And I said exactly the same after we were robbed against Coventry.

Quite right, it's ruined division one football, the spontaneous nature of celebrating scoring a goal has gone.

[bule1]

Was Forests appeal on Wednesday this week. If so what was the outcome or when will it be announced?

[irishpete]

Was Forests appeal on Wednesday this week. If so what was the outcome or when will it be announced?

Yes, next week they find out

[bule1]

Yes, next week they find out

Thanks for that, had been wondering

[Lullapie]

Wot? You’re dealing in semantics yourself. Forest’s initial tweet can be easily inferred as suggesting Attwell deliberately didn’t give them penalties because he supports a rival, which is why they pulled back on it the next day. ‘Having his judgment clouded’ is just a different way of saying the same thing.

For Attwell to overturn any of those decisions there had to be a ‘clear and obvious’ error. You could possibly make the case there was in one of those situations but certainly not the other two.

I watched a bit of the Brighton game last night and they had a penalty appeal turned down at 1-0 which was at least as clear as those Forest decisions. I’m yet to see any fuss about it but then they aren’t owned by a temperamental shipping magnate possibly about to lose millions because he’s bought a load of crap players.

Yawn…….