O/T. The Government's handling of Covid

[Geoff Parkstone]

I really do hope you guys are right and not just guilty of complacency.
Amongst all the back slapping let’s just remember that we in the UK are potential ‘guinea pigs’. The vaccine has been developed astonishingly quickly and hasn’t been tested to the same extent as others.
I sincerely hope, and believe, that you’re better off having it than not having it...but let’s not forget than most of those in charge have screwed up monumentally in almost every other aspect of handling the pandemic.
It’s very early days...less back slapping complacency and politicking about other countries please.

Amongst the 20 odd million shots that we have injected, I don't believe anyone has suffered from a thromboid. MA's figures speak of 6 non fatalities in Europe's 17m. I havent seen reports of anything in the US. I'd guess that maybe 40m AZ vaccinations have been dispensed globally with 0 fatalities reported. I like those odds - statistically I'd even like them if 40 fatalities had been reported.

As Andy has inferred - you do the math. Nothing in life is risk free, but this is as near to it as I've seen before. Mind how you go driving to the shops this week - you are way way more likely to be killed in a traffic accident doing that. And dont even think of flying to a holiday destination, a (DV)T is far more likely than an (AZ)T

[ramAnag]

Amongst the 20 odd million shots that we have injected, I don't believe anyone has suffered from a thromboid. MA's figures speak of 6 non fatalities in Europe's 17m. I havent seen reports of anything in the US. I'd guess that maybe 40m AZ vaccinations have been dispensed globally with 0 fatalities reported. I like those odds - statistically I'd even like them if 40 fatalities had been reported.

As Andy has inferred - you do the math. V Nothing in life is risk free, but this is as near to it as I've seen before. Mind how you go driving to the shops this week - you are way way more likely to be killed in a traffic accident doing that. And dont even think of flying to a holiday destination, a (DV)T is far more likely than an (AZ)T

I think you miss my point. I’m obviously with you where the risks are concerned, otherwise I wouldn’t have had the vaccine about a month ago would I? Nothing I know has changed my mind.

Having said that, I hate the jingoism and also understand that being British doesn’t always make us right - or wrong - or immune to variants that come from other parts of the world because their vaccination programmes MAY not be as good as ours.

[Andy_Faber]

I really do hope you guys are right and not just guilty of complacency.
Amongst all the back slapping let’s just remember that we in the UK are potential ‘guinea pigs’. The vaccine has been developed astonishingly quickly and hasn’t been tested to the same extent as others.
I sincerely hope, and believe, that you’re better off having it than not having it...but let’s not forget than most of those in charge have screwed up monumentally in almost every other aspect of handling the pandemic.
It’s very early days...less back slapping complacency and politicking about other countries please.

It’s not politicking when the only one of my Spanish friends to be vaccinated is (as mentioned a while ago) a nurse friend who got it done in Belfast. Even my ex gardener Michael is unvaccd and he is 67 with a heart condition. Do you understand the numbers here rA?

[ramAnag]

It’s not politicking when the only one of my Spanish friends to be vaccinated is (as mentioned a while ago) a nurse friend who got it done in Belfast. Even my ex gardener Michael is unvaccd and he is 67 with a heart condition. Do you understand the numbers here rA?

I understand Andy, it’s just the ‘no skin off my nose’, ‘you couldn’t make it up’, ‘article 16’ references begin to grate a little.

As I say...I think (from an entirely unqualified perspective) that our government has done a good job with the vaccines, but I recognise that a) the jury is still out on that one b) we (humankind) should be all in this together and c) even from a selfish point of view...there is little point in the UK being vaccinated if the rest of the world isn’t.

[Andy_Faber]

I understand Andy, it’s just the ‘no skin off my nose’, ‘you couldn’t make it up’, ‘article 16’ references begin to grate a little.

As I say...I think (from an entirely unqualified perspective) that our government has done a good job with the vaccines, but I recognise that a) the jury is still out on that one b) we (humankind) should be all in this together and c) even from a selfish point of view...there is little point in the UK being vaccinated if the rest of the world isn’t.

I disagree because I’m part of the U.K. and given my various conditions Covid would probably have killed me, the vaccine won’t. Worthy as it is to think of GP’s allegorical Samoan fisherman from 3000 posts ago I’m afraid I’ll settle for a bit of selfishness ta

The other point is that I am certainly not celebrating the EU’s foolhardiness, I don’t think any of us are even TTR, they are KILLING people with their follow like sheep tactics

[Trickytreesreds]

I disagree because I’m part of the U.K. and given my various conditions Covid would probably have killed me, the vaccine won’t. Worthy as it is to think of GP’s allegorical Samoan fisherman from 3000 posts ago I’m afraid I’ll settle for a bit of selfishness ta

The other point is that I am certainly not celebrating the EU’s foolhardiness, I don’t think any of us are even TTR, they are KILLING people with their follow like sheep tactics

I certainly am not celebrating, I just cannot believe the stupidity and stubborness over this.
This is arrogance and contempt, not concern at play here.

On a side note- Thailand has suspended AZ. Thailand purcashed that last Nov. Then in Jan, it mysteriously did a deal with China for 63 million doses?
I have connections there as some of you know. So I have asked.
Lets put it this way, the Thai king has made sure that it easier to travel there from Germany, than here. Of course it has nothing to do (cough) with Germany being his second home and that he is gaining a reputation for parties and extra money. (cough)

That is why, I believe all along that finance is driving this, for many reasons.
Folks have to remember that the AZ vaccine is sold for virtually cost. Pfizer is sold for 6 times as much.
Smells fishy to me.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Dogs and mangers in close alignment comes to mind. We dont want it, but you who might usefully inject it cannot have it

[ramAnag]

After playing in front of around 65,000 fans for the first two India v England T20 matches they’ve now decided that the remaining three games are to be played behind closed doors because of rising Covid cases. Big surprise! Will we never learn?

[Geoff Parkstone]

I did wonder if that was wise

[Geoff Parkstone]

Well the thrombosis "risk" wasn't known about a month ago....