O/T. The Government's handling of Covid

[swaledale]

Follow the money. AZ sells at cost. Pfizer costs 6 times that. Can't have the poor old shareholders missing out on all that lovely dividend can we?

As for the number of thrombosis cases..... AZ has less than Pfizer. In the AZ tests, those with the vaccine had fewer instances of thrombosis than those who had the placebo. Both AZ and Pfizer show a lower instance of cases than occurs naturally among the non-vaccinated...... IMO if it isn't the money then it's political.

Politicians trying to make capital out of a pandemic because another country has done better with vaccinations? Never thought I'd see the day!

[Trickytreesreds]

Today Nicola Magrini, who runs Italian medicines regulator AIFA, said politicians in were pressured to ban the Covid jabs after Germany and France did.

Mr Magrini told La Repubblica: "We got to the point of a suspension because several European countries, including Germany and France, preferred to interrupt vaccinations... to put them on hold in order to carry out checks.

'BREXIT SULK'
"The choice is a political one."

French Europe Minister Clement Beaune admitted the suspension heaped "political pressure" on AstraZeneca amid the ongoing supply dispute.

He told Radio Classique: "There are concerns. And more than that, probably a number of breaches of contract.

“Europe is not going to be some sort of cuddly 'care bear' that hands over its money and expects nothing in return.

“We will defend our interests. There may be legal recourse. We are not ruling it out.”

Mr Beaune also said the EU “must put pressure” on AstraZeneca to force it to deliver more doses to the bloc even as millions lie unused in fridges.

He said: “We are stronger among Europeans than if France did it alone.

"Before any legal recourse, there is political pressure, or even the board of directors, internally in the company.”

[MadAmster]

.... and they waffle on about money bla bla bla without mentioning that AZ are charging 2.50 a shot and the other suppliers between 15 and 20.

Of course, telling the full story wouldn't help their narrative.......

[Geoff Parkstone]

Maybe I'm missing your point re money here, MA, but you'd think that the buyers of the vaccine (the EU members and other governments) would try to discredit the mores expensive (Pfizer, Moderna) vaccines rather than the cheaper AZ one?

Or are you suggesting that the deep pocketed Pfizer backhander budgets are influencing the individual decision makers thoughts?

[MadAmster]

Maybe I'm missing your point re money here, MA, but you'd think that the buyers of the vaccine (the EU members and other governments) would try to discredit the mores expensive (Pfizer, Moderna) vaccines rather than the cheaper AZ one?

Or are you suggesting that the deep pocketed Pfizer backhander budgets are influencing the individual decision makers thoughts?

And/or governments don't want the poor shareholders of Pfizer/Moderna to suffer any further.

[Andy_Faber]

365000 willing British arms yesterday spoke more loudly than a roomful of EU politicians

[Trickytreesreds]

Threats, threats and more threats.

First they want, then they don't. Then they trash it as useless, but disrupt Ireland.
Then they suspend it because it's not safe.
Now we are back on the hijacking train of blocking exports.

You really couldn't make this **** up.
I'm sorry RA, you get angry when I post things like this, but it really throws it in your face when you preach the "lets all be in this together act"

We aren't in it together. The EU is an animal out of control in many ways. This is the latest balls up.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...re/ar-BB1eGksb

ps I love this line-

Ursula von der Leyen
“We want to see reciprocity and proportionality in exports and we are ready to use whatever tool we need to deliver on that,”

Really? You could have fooled me, with the way you block things?

[Andy_Faber]

Threats, threats and more threats.

First they want, then they don't. Then they trash it as useless, but disrupt Ireland.
Then they suspend it because it's not safe.
Now we are back on the hijacking train of blocking exports.

You really couldn't make this **** up.
I'm sorry RA, you get angry when I post things like this, but it really throws it in your face when you preach the "lets all be in this together act"

We aren't in it together. The EU is an animal out of control in many ways. This is the latest balls up.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...re/ar-BB1eGksb

ps I love this line-

Ursula von der Leyen
“We want to see reciprocity and proportionality in exports and we are ready to use whatever tool we need to deliver on that,�

Really? You could have fooled me, with the way you block things?

TTR beat me to it, this just isn’t cricket

[ramAnag]

I'm sorry RA, you get angry when I post things like this, but it really throws it in your face when you preach the "lets all be in this together act"

No I don’t. I get irritated when people start making political capital out of human tragedy. I do believe we should ‘all be in this together’ but I also sadly recognise that, if things are as suggested, then the EU is acting appallingly over vaccines.

[Andy_Faber]

No I don’t. I get irritated when people start making political capital out of human tragedy. I do believe we should ‘all be in this together’ but I also sadly recognise that, if things are as suggested, then the EU is acting appallingly over vaccines.

One thing thats not been mentioned, and it would have been if this was happening in UK, where we have an opposition to call out the failings of the administration, is that she may be 'fighting' for her job. This is a Hell of a FUBAR and I reckon, deep in the Commision's darkest vaults, someone or some many will be deciding on a scapegoat