O/T The meaningful vote.

[KerrAvon]

I watched her last knight and thought she handed her self well she never lied and told it as it is unlike others on the panel including the host who trid her best to bilittle her on one ocation the host said to her Corbyn will talk to Hezbollah and Hamas and not the prim-minister, Abbott just looked at her and very carmly said l thought we were talking about Brexit, but whilst ever so called Labour supporters are telling her to fuq off ect then what chance have they to get into power give me Diane Abbott any day over any of the lying rabble on the conservative side of the house . This woman gets more death threats and racist abuse than all the other members of parliment put together and yet gets voted in with one of the biggest majoritys if not the biggest in the country. That Isabel Bagshott-Smyth or what ever they call her nar there's a nasty piece of work if ever l've seen one. Not 1 answer came from the lips of Rory Stewart just giving it the old Tory bullshyte. That bloke on the end a skooil teacher I think answered with the truth and they should get more on like him.

Corbett’s past willingness to throw his arm around the shoulders of Hezbollah, Hamas and SinnFein/IRA whilst being unwilling – as leader of the opposition – to speak to the government without preconditions seems to me a perfectly fair point. It certainly raises questions about his sense of priorities and judgement.

As for the argument over Abbott – it goes to the schism at the heart of the Labour Party. You have the London clique who run the party and adopt a more Trotskyist approach to things and think that the North needs more branches of Waitrose, organic vegetables and guacamole. They are baffled at the concept of a brass band, preferring instead, something a bit more ethnically diverse by way of entertainment. The Northern Labour Party, in the meantime, are more Stalinist in approach, and just want some wealth to be redistributed in their direction and for migrants to be kept out, just in case they are asked to share.

The difference between now and the 1920s is that it is the Trotskyists who hold the whip hand.

[SBRed48]

If the do evva second referendum thu'll be sum mithering abart wot the questions are,

Tha carnt ev two choices "May Deal or No Deal" as booath are options to leave. Where is the remain choice ?

Tha carnt ev three choices "May Deal or No Deal or Remain" because leavers wud rightly argue their vote ez been split leaving the dooar wide oppun fo remain

Tha carnt ev "May Deal or Remain" as the May Deal ez been thrown art by a record 230 votes so Parliament couldn't couldn't legislate to bring it in.

The only option izza straight re'run of a straight In or Art--"Remain or Leave".

[Jules88]

Two choices on the ballot.

1. Out with this deal
2. Out under WTO rules

No other choices are needed

[SBRed48]

Two choices on the ballot.

1. Out with this deal
2. Out under WTO rules

No other choices are needed

They are booath Leave choices though Jules.
Remember 48% voted fo Remain two years ago

[Jules88]

They are booath Leave choices though Jules.
Remember 48% voted fo Remain two years ago

The majority voted to leave. There is no other question.

[SBRed48]

The majority voted to leave. There is no other question.

A know thar onnabart respecting the Referendum result.

Aar wo onnabart what wud be a "fair" and "democratic" question forrenni future Referendum

Lads al be evvin the chicken and pasta in that London nar ready fo kick off in two hours so av dun fo day and will now psyche missen up forran afternooin wi Jeff. "The deadlock's been broken at Kingsmeadow".

COYR

[KINDERSCOUT]

The majority voted to leave. There is no other question.

Almost everyone who voted in the referendum did so with inadequate information. Anyone who has been interested in the politics since then will now know a great deal more than they did before the vote. They will also know that the campaigns of both sides before the referendum provided little concrete information to enable us to make an informed decision. That initial problem has been compounded by the post referendum tactics of May. She invoked article 50 before having any idea what she would be negotiating for and started chanting "no deal is better than a bad deal" which was similar and about as effective as chanting "strong and stable" before her unnecessary election. She then compounded her initial problems by drawing her red lines to appease the right wing loons in her party but restricted her ability to negotiate effectively with the EU and resulted in a crushing defeat in Parliament after wasting 30 months of pathetic negotiations. We now need some leadership to fill the vacuum in the nations policy making which Corbyn is failing miserably to fill. The political mess should be cleared up by giving a better educated electorate regarding the EU by a second referendum. For Gods sake Corbyn stop dithering.

[animallittle3]

If the do evva second referendum thu'll be sum mithering abart wot the questions are,

Tha carnt ev two choices "May Deal or No Deal" as booath are options to leave. Where is the remain choice ?

Tha carnt ev three choices "May Deal or No Deal or Remain" because leavers wud rightly argue their vote ez been split leaving the dooar wide oppun fo remain

Tha carnt ev "May Deal or Remain" as the May Deal ez been thrown art by a record 230 votes so Parliament couldn't couldn't legislate to bring it in.

The only option izza straight re'run of a straight In or Art--"Remain or Leave".

But surely SB if the electorate voted for May's deal then they are duty to bound to vote that through and honour the result .

Tha can't have a re-run on summat that's already bin decided with remain on the ballot paper in my opinion .

I disagreed with ESR earlier in this thread about crashing out on WTO terms but I have to say he could well be right with the way it's going right now .

If there's gridlock in parliament , nobody will talk to one another and more argument and debate over not only another referendum but what to put on said referendum with the clock ticking it does seem inevitable I have to say .

This board replicates the whole country right now and there isn't a majority for anything on here either .

[SBRed48]

But surely SB if the electorate voted for May's deal then they are duty to bound to vote that through and honour the result .

Tha can't have a re-run on summat that's already bin decided with remain on the ballot paper in my opinion .

.

In a democracy people are allowed to alter their opinion. Nobody was up in arms when May called the 2017 General Election two years after the 2015 General Election saying the people ev already given their view and they shouldn't be asked again two years later.

Azza further thought on Jules post tha cuddev

A) Duz tha wish to remain? Tick Box A

B Duz tha wish to leave? Tick Box B. If thaz ticked Box B duz tha want 1 May's Deal ? Tick Box 1 or 2 No Deal ? Tick Box 2

If Leave won Parliament would know what fooaks wo thinking

[animallittle3]

I watched her last knight and thought she handed her self well she never lied and told it as it is unlike others on the panel including the host who trid her best to bilittle her on one ocation the host said to her Corbyn will talk to Hezbollah and Hamas and not the prim-minister, Abbott just looked at her and very carmly said l thought we were talking about Brexit, but whilst ever so called Labour supporters are telling her to fuq off ect then what chance have they to get into power give me Diane Abbott any day over any of the lying rabble on the conservative side of the house . This woman gets more death threats and racist abuse than all the other members of parliment put together and yet gets voted in with one of the biggest majoritys if not the biggest in the country. That Isabel Bagshott-Smyth or what ever they call her nar there's a nasty piece of work if ever l've seen one. Not 1 answer came from the lips of Rory Stewart just giving it the old Tory bullshyte. That bloke on the end a skooil teacher I think answered with the truth and they should get more on like him.

Mr C , the one thing I've learned over the last few years and especially in recent times is to try and see things from different angles .

Not everyone in this country was savaged by Thatcher's government , normal working people such as us in various parts of the country did bloody well out of her tenure .

Some trade unions did feck this country over , it pains me to say it but they did , not them all by any means and they will always have a part to play in the workplace but some did harm the reputation beyond repair with many people .

Our personal views don't always chime with the rest of the country .

You have also got to acknowledge that the UK is a conservative country , bound to be given they win more elections than Labour .

Now I'm not suggesting for one minute we need to re-boot New Labour but we also have to consider making a change with the leadership .

Corbyn talks our language but that doesn't always reconcile with the marginal seats , where bloody elections are won and lost .

Corbyn has my respect on many things , give me JC over Blair any day of the week but we have to win General Elections and unfortunately South Yorkshire doesn't decide them .

The Blairites have to compromise and the left also have to compromise so that we can meet somewhere in between .

Only a change of leadership can make that happen if we are to win an election with a majority .

We have to face facts and be honest with ourselves , the polls do not make good reading Mr C given we are squaring off against the worst tory government in history .