O/T:- Who needs Parliament?

[magpie_mania]

......but they've had 700 plus days to sort it out, nothing, nada, nought...it's like this forum where Sid raises this topic for the 20th time. Who honestly has remotely budged from their original position?

The politicians cannot sort it out, so 4 days less means sod all.....except they can all take a few days to try to figure out a fool-proof way to fiddle their expenses.

I had to laugh at the Guardian headline a few days ago "Sterling crashes on news of Parliament suspension"......errrrr, no it didn't.
I check the Sterling rates every day in case I need to cash in a bucket-load of pesos....here's the £ v Peso, and for good measure the £ v Euro.......my advice, don't listen too much to the tv pundits....life will be fine post-Brexit, nobody will need to bbq their own kids to survive!!
https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?f...to=MXN&view=1M
https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?f...to=EUR&view=1M

Tarkers, what difference will those 4 days make to the Queen's speech halfway through October? None at all. You mention fiddling expenses, while at the same time accept the lies as being ok.

[bridpie78]

Blimey, anyone got the phone number for the Samaritans???

All that's missing is some zombies and a rogue asteroid

[pravda_plc]

" Who needs the Kwiky Mart - I dooo.... "

(apologies to Matt Groening / The Simpsons)

[bridpie78]

Great factcheck Mapperley, thanks for the link.

So in summary (correct me if I'm wrong)
Proroguing is a perfectly normal function of government.
Boris has done nothing wrong, legally, and this "slightly sneaky" method of calling it early has been used by politicians before (the article quotes Labour's Atlee and Tory's Major).....did anyone take to the streets on those occasions? no idea.
Government was due to go into recess 4 days after the proroguation date anyway, and I cannot see any mention of MPs wishing to use the recess to mount a challenge....AFAIK, the disparate group of "rebels" have no real idea of how to stop Boris, and have no coherent plan....even if they cannot use official Parliament time to come up with a plan, surely they can still talk to each other during the recess-proroguation?

So, two questions....does anyone seriously believe that after 700 days, an extra 4 days (plus a recess) would make a blind halfpennyworth of difference?
Secondly - The whole thing strikes me as fake outrage, and I suspect a majority of MPs (and the General Public) are relieved that, at last, we can see light at the end of the tunnel.
As I stated yesterday, despite the media's claim of money market wobbles, the market looks remarkably calm...here is this morning's £-Euro position https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?f...to=EUR&view=1M

4 days extra holiday is a democratic outrage, scheming to replace the government,colluding with EU leaders and nearly 3 years of trying to overturn a referendum vote is just fine. Hmmm
Remainers now get to feel how we have felt since the referendum.

More scaremongering from the press and tv news about a crisis that isnt happening, they're getting desperate

Wake me up on Nov 1st ...

[SwalePie]

4 days extra holiday is a democratic outrage, scheming to replace the government,colluding with EU leaders and nearly 3 years of trying to overturn a referendum vote is just fine. Hmmm

It was a referendum, not a vote. Just for the sake of clarity that referendum result was not a binding vote at all. Just saying

[Old_pie]

It was a referendum, not a vote. Just for the sake of clarity that referendum result was not a binding vote at all. Just saying

Correct, which is why every major party made a statement to say they would abide by the decision. Clever these politicians.

[bridpie78]

It was a referendum, not a vote. Just for the sake of clarity that referendum result was not a binding vote at all. Just saying

We voted in a referendum im typing on a phone so im not using all of my words, you pick holes in my wording but not the facts.
And i think we're past the point where it matters what remainers are ' just saying'

[tarquinbeech]

I have not seen these projections raised here, but one of the reasons for getting out of the EU.....is that the countries making up the "bloc" are in terminal decline, compared with the growing economies of the World, namely Asian countries, plus Russia, Mexico and Brazil.

PwC produce regular projections of each country's GDP "league position", both current and projected, and the decline of Germany, France, Spain and most notably Italy (who virtually fall off the economic ladder) is startling.
The UK, post-Brexit, position is relatively healthy compared to the other larger EU members (though PwC anticipate short-term issues then a decent recovery once the "shackles" are removed)

I will let you all play around with the interactive model below, but the summary points are
Germany - Falls from 5th in 2016, to 7th in 2030 and 9th in 2050
France - Falls from 10th to 11th to 12th
Italy - Plunges from 12th to 15th then 21st!!
Spain - Likewise plunges from 16th to 17th then 26th

The UK (post-Brexit) is quite bullish at 9th to 10th and holding 10th until 2050 ie no further decline, why? Because ALL THE WORLD GDP growth, relative to each other, is coming from emerging nations like China, India, Indonesia, Brazil, Russia, Mexico and Turkey ie countries OUTSIDE OF THE EU.

The 7 emerging nations are set to be DOUBLE the size of the current G7 countries USA, UK, France, Italy, Germany, Japan and Canada.

Whilst I appreciate that these are only projections, the writing has clearly been on the wall since 2016.......as an example, Mexico, as an E7 nation, (in GDP PPP terms) are projected to overtake France in 2025, Italy are already below Mexico and Mexico overtake Germany in 2042 and the UK in 2030, 11 years from now!!

For those that eschew the PPP model, you can change the stats to GDP in actual terms by altering buttons on the graph ie Mexico catch the UK in 2048? Germany in 2055? France in 2043 and Italy in 2031.

Basically, it's my long-winded way of saying the West is in serial decline, emerging economies are where the real growth is and the UK, post-Brexit, are in a superb position to benefit (and the model predicts exactly that)

[tarquinbeech]

I have not seen these projections raised here, but one of the reasons for getting out of the EU.....is that the countries making up the "bloc" are in terminal decline, compared with the growing economies of the World, namely Asian countries, plus Russia, Mexico and Brazil.

PwC produce regular projections of each country's GDP "league position", both current and projected, and the decline of Germany, France, Spain and most notably Italy (who virtually fall off the economic ladder) is startling.
The UK, post-Brexit, position is relatively healthy compared to the other larger EU members (though PwC anticipate short-term issues then a decent recovery once the "shackles" are removed)

I will let you all play around with the interactive model below, but the summary points are
Germany - Falls from 5th in 2016, to 7th in 2030 and 9th in 2050
France - Falls from 10th to 11th to 12th
Italy - Plunges from 12th to 15th then 21st!!
Spain - Likewise plunges from 16th to 17th then 26th

The UK (post-Brexit) is quite bullish at 9th to 10th and holding 10th until 2050 ie no further decline, why? Because ALL THE WORLD GDP growth, relative to each other, is coming from emerging nations like China, India, Indonesia, Brazil, Russia, Mexico and Turkey ie countries OUTSIDE OF THE EU.

The 7 emerging nations are set to be DOUBLE the size of the current G7 countries USA, UK, France, Italy, Germany, Japan and Canada.

Whilst I appreciate that these are only projections, the writing has clearly been on the wall since 2016.......as an example, Mexico, as an E7 nation, (in GDP PPP terms) are projected to overtake France in 2025, Italy are already below Mexico and Mexico overtake Germany in 2042 and the UK in 2030, 11 years from now!!

For those that eschew the PPP model, you can change the stats to GDP in actual terms by altering buttons on the graph ie Mexico catch the UK in 2048? Germany in 2055? France in 2043 and Italy in 2031.

Basically, it's my long-winded way of saying the West is in serial decline, emerging economies are where the real growth is and the UK, post-Brexit, are in a superb position to benefit (and the model predicts exactly that)

Oops, forgot the interactive model.....have fun https://www.pwc.com/world2050

[seriouspie]

I have not seen these projections raised here, but one of the reasons for getting out of the EU.....is that the countries making up the "bloc" are in terminal decline, compared with the growing economies of the World, namely Asian countries, plus Russia, Mexico and Brazil.

PwC produce regular projections of each country's GDP "league position", both current and projected, and the decline of Germany, France, Spain and most notably Italy (who virtually fall off the economic ladder) is startling.
The UK, post-Brexit, position is relatively healthy compared to the other larger EU members (though PwC anticipate short-term issues then a decent recovery once the "shackles" are removed)

I will let you all play around with the interactive model below, but the summary points are
Germany - Falls from 5th in 2016, to 7th in 2030 and 9th in 2050
France - Falls from 10th to 11th to 12th
Italy - Plunges from 12th to 15th then 21st!!
Spain - Likewise plunges from 16th to 17th then 26th

The UK (post-Brexit) is quite bullish at 9th to 10th and holding 10th until 2050 ie no further decline, why? Because ALL THE WORLD GDP growth, relative to each other, is coming from emerging nations like China, India, Indonesia, Brazil, Russia, Mexico and Turkey ie countries OUTSIDE OF THE EU.

The 7 emerging nations are set to be DOUBLE the size of the current G7 countries USA, UK, France, Italy, Germany, Japan and Canada.

Whilst I appreciate that these are only projections, the writing has clearly been on the wall since 2016.......as an example, Mexico, as an E7 nation, (in GDP PPP terms) are projected to overtake France in 2025, Italy are already below Mexico and Mexico overtake Germany in 2042 and the UK in 2030, 11 years from now!!

For those that eschew the PPP model, you can change the stats to GDP in actual terms by altering buttons on the graph ie Mexico catch the UK in 2048? Germany in 2055? France in 2043 and Italy in 2031.

Basically, it's my long-winded way of saying the West is in serial decline, emerging economies are where the real growth is and the UK, post-Brexit, are in a superb position to benefit (and the model predicts exactly that)

Welcome back Tarks .... hope you and Miriam are well.

You are quite correct in your comments.