League two clubs vote to end season

[upthemaggies]

If Barrow and Harrogate are refusing to play 2 or 3 games of football in the space of week to decide who goes up then they should forfeit. Two of whoever agrees to play off can go up. The clubs that have got the balls to to settle this fairly should be rewarded, not this pair of cowards.

[BigFatPie]

The FA unlikely to block decision to scrap relegation from league 2.

https://theathletic.com/1813946/2020...shared_article

[Chinawhite1000]

whilst i understand upthemaggies being upset can someone please explain the rules of the NL/EFL promotion/relegation to him?

[upthemaggies]

whilst i understand upthemaggies being upset can someone please explain the rules of the NL/EFL promotion/relegation to him?

"Can be" your words, is not the same as "will be". the rules are open to interpretation, otherwise clubs wouldn't be debating the issue and running to the press.

[upthemaggies]

(a) At the end of each Season the Champion club of The National League and The National League Runner Up (be that determined on the basis of League position alone or by way of play off competition) shall be eligible to apply for promotion to The League.

China, which part of this rule specifies what should happen in the event of the FL deciding on a whim to abolish relegation to the NL?
Where is the rule that dictates what should happen if only one team is allowed to go up? We can all make biased informed assumptions but without a rule already in place then an agreement between clubs/leagues will have to be reached.

If Barrow have already been promoted and are now officially a Football League Club and I've happened to miss that story, then please do furnish me with a link and I'll be happy to congratulate you and wish you well.

[Chinawhite1000]

(a) At the end of each Season the Champion club of The National League and The National League Runner Up (be that determined on the basis of League position alone or by way of play off competition) shall be eligible to apply for promotion to The League.

China, which part of this rule specifies what should happen in the event of the FL deciding on a whim to abolish relegation to the NL?
Where is the rule that dictates what should happen if only one team is allowed to go up? We can all make biased informed assumptions but without a rule already in place then an agreement between clubs/leagues will have to be reached.

If Barrow have already been promoted and are now officially a Football League Club and I've happened to miss that story, then please do furnish me with a link and I'll be happy to congratulate you and wish you well.

Whilst I wouldn't agree with it my guess would be that the EFL would use the wording "shall be eligible to apply for promotion to The League" and would reject the application. As I've said before if either Stevenage or Macclesfield* don't get relegated then it's wrong.
The way things are going it looks like the EFL want it to be Macclesfield and will dock them enough points on the outstanding charge of failing to fulfil a fixture (can't remember who the 2nd one was against) to put them below Stevenage and are waiting until when they have done that to confirm there will be relegation - either that or they will find a rule that lets them expel Macclesfield.

IF that doesn't happen and only 1 goes up I think that there will be negotiations between the EFL and NL which might end in 3 up 3 down from next season. Which in the long run could be better for Notts as if the play-offs were to take place Notts would enter at the play off semi final stage and only have a mathematical 1 in 4 chance of going up.

[navypie]

Whilst I wouldn't agree with it my guess would be that the EFL would use the wording "shall be eligible to apply for promotion to The League" and would reject the application. As I've said before if either Stevenage or Macclesfield* don't get relegated then it's wrong.
The way things are going it looks like the EFL want it to be Macclesfield and will dock them enough points on the outstanding charge of failing to fulfil a fixture (can't remember who the 2nd one was against) to put them below Stevenage and are waiting until when they have done that to confirm there will be relegation - either that or they will find a rule that lets them expel Macclesfield.

IF that doesn't happen and only 1 goes up I think that there will be negotiations between the EFL and NL which might end in 3 up 3 down from next season. Which in the long run could be better for Notts as if the play-offs were to take place Notts would enter at the play off semi final stage and only have a mathematical 1 in 4 chance of going up.

Could be better in the "long run" for your lot as well. If you do go up you'll only go straight back down.

[upthemaggies]

Whilst I wouldn't agree with it my guess would be that the EFL would use the wording "shall be eligible to apply for promotion to The League" and would reject the application. As I've said before if either Stevenage or Macclesfield* don't get relegated then it's wrong.
The way things are going it looks like the EFL want it to be Macclesfield and will dock them enough points on the outstanding charge of failing to fulfil a fixture (can't remember who the 2nd one was against) to put them below Stevenage and are waiting until when they have done that to confirm there will be relegation - either that or they will find a rule that lets them expel Macclesfield.

IF that doesn't happen and only 1 goes up I think that there will be negotiations between the EFL and NL which might end in 3 up 3 down from next season. Which in the long run could be better for Notts as if the play-offs were to take place Notts would enter at the play off semi final stage and only have a mathematical 1 in 4 chance of going up.

Forgive me if I've misunderstood, but I'm pretty certain our owners and manager won't be scrambling under your metaphorical dining table to munch on that little crumb of comfort. On what planet would it be better for us to have only one crack at going up rather than two?

I think you're worried, otherwise you wouldn't be wasting your energy on here trying to convince me, us or yourself that Barrow are going up no matter what, and you've every reason to be worried if this comes down to invitation rather league position, as some are suggesting.

If the Premier League, for example, were given the opportunity of voting between a well run club that averages 25,000 in a modern stadium or a club that struggles to get 15k with much work to be done, but just happened to be over-performing this season, who would they pick? We know they'd all prefer to play the likes of Leeds, Sunderland and West Brom to the Bournemouths, Burnleys and Watfords. Will that thinking be any different lower down?

Notts silence on the matter may suggest they aren't particularly bothered and will accept whatever decision is forthcoming, or maybe they know more than they are letting on. There's some food for thought.

[Chinawhite1000]

Whilst I wouldn't agree with it my guess would be that the EFL would use the wording "shall be eligible to apply for promotion to The League" and would reject the application. As I've said before if either Stevenage or Macclesfield* don't get relegated then it's wrong.
The way things are going it looks like the EFL want it to be Macclesfield and will dock them enough points on the outstanding charge of failing to fulfil a fixture (can't remember who the 2nd one was against) to put them below Stevenage and are waiting until when they have done that to confirm there will be relegation - either that or they will find a rule that lets them expel Macclesfield.

IF that doesn't happen and only 1 goes up I think that there will be negotiations between the EFL and NL which might end in 3 up 3 down from next season. Which in the long run could be better for Notts as if the play-offs were to take place Notts would enter at the play off semi final stage and only have a mathematical 1 in 4 chance of going up.

Well it looks like the Stevenage Chairman must read Notts Mad as he is now trying to push exactly that - that they are saved - but it goes to 3 up 3 down from next season;-

https://www.stevenagefc.com/news/202...24th-may-2020/

"A long time ago, as Vice Chairman of the Conference, I fought relentlessly, along with our Board, for 2 Up 2 Down. We finally achieved that in 2003, with a view to moving to 3 Up 3 Down within a reasonable timeframe. But 17 years on, 3U3D has still not materialised. So perhaps now is the time to use this turmoil to deliver more fluidity between the EFL and National League with 3U3D.

"Since the National League season wasn’t completed in the way it was intended, one option is to leave League Two as it is, with no relegation, and promote one club from the NL this season instead of two, to bring the EFL back to 72 teams, but with 3U3D established and in place for next season. No lawsuits, no clubs bankrupted and something created for the National League that appears to be impossible to achieve.

"There is no financial penalty for any League Two club with this option either, as the budgeted relegation savings from League 2 this season can be applied to the 3rd relegated team. Funding was always the main problem to 3U3D, in that there wasn’t any. If we don’t relegate this season, there will be around £2million of EFL relegation savings over the next 2 seasons to make 3U3D happen.

"If the National League would agree, I believe this could be an option for clubs to consider and vote upon as a solution to the bottom of the EFL."

[legs77]

All the messages from Barrow & Harrogate a month ago was to continue playing only Boreham Wood didnt want to out of the top 5/7.

The season has now been cut short so the play offs are the only games possible to play.

Some fans have short memories I remember a few hoping Bury/Macclesfield go under so we could stay up last season.

If Notts were in the position of the top 2 I would be all for us trying to get promoted without playing again so I dont see why you are stunned by their soundbites.

Our fate is sealed if nobody drops out of league two and that is not right at all as its going to cause issues with Lg1 relegated teams and NL play off sides.

We as fans all want to play games but we cant control the decisions made by EPL/NL.