Match Thread vs. Woking 05.12.20 [NL]

[Elite_Pie]

Ive had a few days off suffering with fatigue....

Understandable if you watched the game in midweek, two in four days is a lot to cope with! On that subject, yesterday Charlie and Stall mentioned at least three times that Woking playing a day earlier than us in midweek might be the reason for our slow start. Wouldn't this 'fatigue' thingy kick in towards the end of the game rather than in the first few minutes? When we played at Dagenham, our previous game was on the Friday, while they played 120 minutes on the Sunday. Surely that means they should have been severely fatigued in the second half in the game against us, but instead they improved as the match progressed and we were less effective. Can someone explain why that happened?

[optipez]

My classification of fatigue in this sense is being too tired to play 90 minutes of football effectively twice a week. When did this happen? When did the human species become so fragile? I don't remember Jimmy Sirrel changing his best XI because some of them were 'fatigued'.

Sport has changed hugely over the last twenty years Elite. The physicality of today's footballers even at our level is a world away from the Sirrel years. the days where Dave McVeigh could drink ten pints then sweat it out the next day is long gone. With the amount of foreign footballers in our top leagues, formerly league standard players have cascaded down to the tin pot leagues.
Sportsmen are taller, faster, heavier and more heavily muscled than they used to be, train harder and more intensely. The downside is that if your body is that finely honed it breaks down more easily and requires more effort to keep at these unnatural peaks over a season.

[Elite_Pie]

Sport has changed hugely over the last twenty years Elite.

I understand that. I don't understand how in that time all the advances in science, medicine, nutrition etc have apparently made the human body less rather than more durable. A good club athlete can run 10K in 30 minutes, while footballers have to cover a similar amount of ground in 90 minutes. I know there is all the jumping, stretching, sprinting, tackling and so on to factor in, but I don't get how it appears to be such a massive physical challenge. Playing twice a week should be a piece of piss.

[laddo]

Ive had a few days off suffering with fatigue....

Lol. Hope you are feeling refreshed and 100% in time for you to comment when we next lose.

[durhampie]

Lol. Hope you are feeling refreshed and 100% in time for you to comment when we next lose.

With the players we have available we should not lose to any of the teams in this league.

[laddo]

Have Notts got a strength and conditioning coach? If so I suggest contact them as they can give qualified answers.

No doubt footballers exert themselves far more over 90 mins now than 20-30 yeara ago. Players are so much faster, stronger etc and the pace of the game has increased through the decades.

[Elite_Pie]

No doubt footballers exert themselves far more over 90 mins now than 20-30 yeara ago. Players are so much faster, stronger etc and the pace of the game has increased through the decades.

Stronger? If they were stronger, surely playing twice a week would be easy. You say "Players are so much faster". That's bollox, because 28 years ago Kevin Bartlett ran 100 metres in 11.4 seconds. Who in the current Notts squad would you back to beat that?

[SwalePie]

Stronger? If they were stronger, surely playing twice a week would be easy. You say "Players are so much faster". That's bollox, because 28 years ago Kevin Bartlett ran 100 metres in 11.4 seconds. Who in the current Notts squad would you back to beat that?

There are countless players in modern football who can do 100m in under 11 seconds. In terms of raw sprint speed there are also countless players whose maximum speed over shorter sprints is faster than even the great Usain Bolt. Apparently one of Cardiff City's players clocked a 100m in 10.04 seconds. In the Notts squad I've no idea but it might be interesting to get those stats one day. I'd wager Ben Turner is not under 11 seconds though

Here's an article from the University of Portsmouth on the subject to bring you...err...up to speed.

https://www.port.ac.uk/news-events-and-blogs/news/elite-footballers-leaner-taller-faster-than-decades-ago

Here's anther article abut how much faster the game is today.

https://sciencenordic.com/denmark-football-society--culture/scientists-football-has-changed-dramatically/1440511

Here's a more general article on the subject overall

http://drmonto.com/blog/2016/11/16/harde

Hope that helps

[Elite_Pie]

There are countless players in modern football who can do 100m in under 11 seconds. In terms of raw sprint speed there are also countless players whose maximum speed over shorter sprints is faster than even the great Usain Bolt. Apparently one of Cardiff City's players clocked a 100m in 10.04 seconds.

Here's an article from the University of Portsmouth on the subject to bring you...oerr...up to speed.

https://www.port.ac.uk/news-events-and-blogs/news/elite-footballers-leaner-taller-faster-than-decades-ago

Here's anther article abut how much faster the game is today.

https://sciencenordic.com/denmark-football-society--culture/scientists-football-has-changed-dramatically/1440511

Here's a more general article on the subject overall

http://drmonto.com/blog/2016/11/16/harde

Hope that helps

It doesn't help in the slightest. I realise that a football team today would probably beat a team playing at a similar level from 20 or 30 years ago, because sport continually evolves as ever-improving world record times in athletics show. That's not the issue for me though. Why can't men in their physical prime play for 90 minutes twice a week? If the game is now so fast and physically demanding how can someone as old as Doyle play every week? Why didn't Dagenham fall apart through fatigue in the later stages of last Wednesday's game?

Any links much appreciated.

[SwalePie]

It doesn't help in the slightest. I realise that a football team today would probably beat a team playing at a similar level from 20 or 30 years ago, because sport continually evolves as ever-improving world record times in athletics show. That's not the issue for me though. Why can't men in their physical prime play for 90 minutes twice a week? If the game is now so fast and physically demanding how can someone as old as Doyle play every week? Why didn't Dagenham fall apart through fatigue in the later stages of last Wednesday's game?

Any links much appreciated.

No I've done my bit trying to help you out, your turn to use the mighty power of the interwebs and Google. There's a ton of good quality research out there at your fingertips Here's a quick snapshot from a single search term...



Actually all you have to do is watch old footage of 70s and 80s Notts matches to instantly see the difference in athleticism, build and speed.