Squad problems

[laddo]

I understand that bar the Barnet game the perfomances have been mixed but I read earlier that every game since Barnet we have been poor. Really? If so we've been ever so lucky to not lose to anyone before yesterday and to score so many goals.

I know we've had an easy start to the season on paper that can't be argued and as I've only seen two games this season I asked earlier how many teams have deserved to beat us this season? Wrexham for sure anyone else?

As for "we shouldn't be in the league" of course we should we fully deserved to be relegated and the 2 seasons we've been here we haven't been quite good enough to get promoted. Sadly size of club, history in higher leagues, attendances etc means s0d all once you are sh!t enough to finish 91st/92nd in the football league. That's your punishment. Blame former managers and owners not the curry ones.

I realise many fans can't get their heads around us being in NL, can't get over the relegation season (that's very apparent with the regular and seemingly endless analysis of who is to blame)

I get it it's embarrassing to be at this level for us, and any former league club that has been relegated before us. It is without a doubt. But this attitude of we are better than this, we shouldn't be in this league means whenever we don't beat a smaller traditional NL side there is an overreaction every single time. A cloud of mild panic sweeps over Facebook and NCM as the realisation that we probably aren't the best or one of the best sides in the league rears its ugly head again. It's happened many times every season we've been at NL level. Patience is rarity amongst the majority of footy fans hence the willingness for the 'boom or bust' to be repeated even after all those examples of us wasting money and overspending and getting into huge financial difficulties.

By the same score when we beat one of these traditional NL teams the attitude is very ... well we should shouldn't we?

It's never going to equally balanced for that very reason.

If we could all close our eyes, click our heels and magically be back in L2 we would. Sadly it doesn't work like that. So we either risk the boom and bust and go through an embarrassing number of managers and demand new owners or we learn to change our ways and be patient, trust the longer term approach.

Well that's my view anyway.

[Elite_Pie]

I understand that bar the Barnet game the perfomances have been mixed but I read earlier that every game since Barnet we have been poor. Really? If so we've been ever so lucky to not lose to anyone before yesterday and to score so many goals.

I know we've had an easy start to the season on paper that can't be argued and as I've only seen two games this season I asked earlier how many teams have deserved to beat us this season? Wrexham for sure anyone else?

As for "we shouldn't be in the league" of course we should we fully deserved to be relegated and the 2 seasons we've been here we haven't been quite good enough to get promoted. Sadly size of club, history in higher leagues, attendances etc means s0d all once you are sh!t enough to finish 91st/92nd in the football league. That's your punishment. Blame former managers and owners not the curry ones.

I realise many fans can't get their heads around us being in NL, can't get over the relegation season (that's very apparent with the regular and seemingly endless analysis of who is to blame)

I get it it's embarrassing to be at this level for us, and any former league club that has been relegated before us. It is without a doubt. But this attitude of we are better than this, we shouldn't be in this league means whenever we don't beat a smaller traditional NL side there is an overreaction every single time. A cloud of mild panic sweeps over Facebook and NCM as the realisation that we probably aren't the best or one of the best sides in the league rears its ugly head again. It's happened many times every season we've been at NL level. Patience is rarity amongst the majority of footy fans hence the willingness for the 'boom or bust' to be repeated even after all those examples of us wasting money and overspending and getting into huge financial difficulties.

By the same score when we beat one of these traditional NL teams the attitude is very ... well we should shouldn't we?

It's never going to equally balanced for that very reason.

If we could all close our eyes, click our heels and magically be back in L2 we would. Sadly it doesn't work like that. So we either risk the boom and bust and go through an embarrassing number of managers and demand new owners or we learn to change our ways and be patient, trust the longer term approach.

Well that's my view anyway.

Some good points and some not so good, but possibly a bit disappointing coming from the self-appointed driver of the Burchnall 'chips all in' bandwagon. No hashtags or choo-choos has to be a worrying sign.

[laddo]

I like to vary it up, and more importantly it's all Notts talk which is what we are here for right?#void

I'm also not a fan of the 'broken record' approach beloved by a few on here. That reminds me DavyFacts has gone AWOL, probably terrorising the Solihull Moors message board as we speak lol.

Still sat on the Burchnall bandwagon, we don't want anyone on it who jumps off before league games are played. They are better standing on the sidelines with a weak lemon drink waiting to see what happens and waiting for hindsight before commenting.

One defeat in eight and sat in our usual playoff spot is no reason for pitchforks. Is it?

[Woodypie]

The problem with the squad is that it isn't good enough to win promotion. Maybe next season, if Burch sorts out wingbacks, central midfield and striker.

[Elite_Pie]

Still sat on the Burchnall bandwagon, we don't want anyone on it who jumps off before league games are played. They are better standing on the sidelines with a weak lemon drink waiting to see what happens and waiting for hindsight before commenting.

I'm actually stood on the platform holding a strong drink. I'm not waiting for hindsight, because my views have been pretty clear from the start. I think we ship goals too easily, I think we are physically weak in midfield, I think we are too easy to play against, and I think our tippy-tappy style of play across the back favours our opponents more than it does us. I would really love to be proved wrong, but even though you may find it dull I've always tried to base my opinions on what I see with my own eyes, mixed in with an overall opinion with what posters on here say about the games I don't see.

[laddo]

Out of interest when are you defining "...from the start"? When he arrived? From the start of this season? Your first game you saw live this season?

Those criticisms of the squad are what we've all seen as the season has progressed and are popular on here. Truth be told you wouldn't have to have seen any Notts game this season to state those (valid) criticism you would just have to read on here that the central midfield is questionable (still) and there is uncertainty about the formation IB has adopted. Just take a look at a league table to see we concede too many. Passing football becomes labelled as tippy tappy when it's not successful, direct football gets called hoof ball when it too isn't successful.

It's an evolving game, it's an evolving season so naturally views change and strengthen as we can see. It's always safer and sensible to wait and see then comment, but where is the fun where is the risk in that?

[Elite_Pie]

Out of interest when are you defining "...from the start"? When he arrived? From the start of this season? Your first game you saw live this season??

What it says on the tin, from the start. The start was missing out on penalties to Hornchurch for a day out at Wembley, but that was only one game so forms a miniscule part. The rest is based on what I've seen with my own eyes, along with the thoughts (both positive and negative) of posters on here who did see the games I didn't.

It's an evolving game, it's an evolving season so naturally views change and strengthen as we can see.

It certainly is evolving and my views won't be preconceived either way, they will be based entirely on what I see as they always are.

It's always safer and sensible to wait and see then comment, but where is the fun where is the risk in that?

The opposite is to chuck all your chips in based on flimsy evidence, and that's not really my style. Honestly, I would love you to throw that back in my face when we are promoted at the end of the season, but I've not seen anything yet to suggest that is likely.

[matt_magpie]

What it says on the tin, from the start. The start was missing out on penalties to Hornchurch for a day out at Wembley, but that was only one game so forms a miniscule part. The rest is based on what I've seen with my own eyes, along with the thoughts (both positive and negative) of posters on here who did see the games I didn't.



It certainly is evolving and my views won't be preconceived either way, they will be based entirely on what I see as they always are.



The opposite is to chuck all your chips in based on flimsy evidence, and that's not really my style. Honestly, I would love you to throw that back in my face when we are promoted at the end of the season, but I've not seen anything yet to suggest that is likely.

I think we have to be realistic, I reckon we have the 5th best budget in the league. We have non league players as everyone else do that are always inconsistent. We have a strategy, recruit on the whole young potential players with a coach that will improve them with the hope they improve, results improve, saleable assets go up and play the new modern way. Will it work, no idea? But as long as the owners are in place this will be the strategy, won’t change unless they go, so we either accept it or boycott for change.

[Elite_Pie]

But as long as the owners are in place this will be the strategy, won’t change unless they go, so we either accept it or boycott for change.

One thing I will never do is boycott for change. Whatever owner, manager and players we have (and we've had bloody awful ones in each category) I will support the club as much as I can. My ST seat will be occupied for every game I can get to.

[matt_magpie]

Don’t doubt you Elite as you’re a proper Notts fan. We’re just in a dire situation, one auto spot, 3 or 4 teams heavily investing, I honestly don’t think it’s about our style but as we’ve seen with Barrow and Sutton, it’s about everything coming in place, a bit of luck and mainly character. What I would love to see is if we are in 5 points come Jan to the top, then the owners sensibly invest with a couple of experienced Matty Palmer like signings to get us there to the end.